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Outside of HYS, I would take any top 50 school with a free ride.


You'd take a free ride at SMU or Tulane over an acceptance to Columbia or Chicago?


Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« on: April 23, 2010, 01:52:40 AM »
so"philosophy"....basicly they BS instead of teaching you the facts. gotcha.

I do understand that you're doing your very best to be a troll, but I have to say, you're starting to be a living, talking, breathing confirmation about every stereotype and joke I've ever heard about Cooley.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 22, 2010, 09:32:06 PM »
All you need is a little. Hell,if woman says only "I did it to watch him bleed out" that's pretty much all you need to make some major conclusions there too.

Really? Try writing that on your crim law exam, and see yourself getting a C- ;)

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« on: April 22, 2010, 09:31:22 PM »
then what do they teach?

The top schools generally have a more "philosophical" approach to the subjects. I'm not really sure how to properly put the difference into words, but yeah, they have a lot less focus on practical aspects of being a lawyer, or passing the bar. They assume you fix that yourself. The very best place to tell the difference is really in a Civ Pro class, and just seeing how little time they spend on the FRCP compared to what "lower ranked" schools do. Whether this is a good thing or not for their students can be (and consistently is) debated.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: cooley in the fall
« on: April 22, 2010, 09:28:18 PM »
I think the extra ranking system is silly too -- that is both of our opinions -- but since being back in my home state I haven't met anyone that has even heard of the alternate ranking system.  So please answer my question -- what are the names of the partners/shareholders and their firms that have told you this -- otherwise it is just another opinion on a message board.

I think you can assume that's exactly what it is. I can't imagine anyone sitting in a job interview asking; "Well, what if I went to Cooley? Would you hire me then?". I can only speak for the firm I'll be working at this fall, and I don't have the impression they're talking bad about any schools. There's probably 150 schools they're not going to hire someone from, but I really can't see them smack talking about any of them. That's more what law students do. Law firm partners are generally grown ups, and act accordingly.

Current Law Students / Re: Anyone know about the 5 year requirement?
« on: April 22, 2010, 09:25:59 PM »
But not 55.(there is probally more than that really)

Are you trying to say there are 55 different bars? Want to re-think that one? At the very least we could limit it to the number of states, and no, not every state has their own bar exam.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Cooley in the fall
« on: April 22, 2010, 09:21:09 PM »
and if a cooley grad applied to one of those paralegals (when no one else would hire them) you think the company wouldn't be shitting themselves with excitment to have a lawyer and not just a secretary doing that job?

That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.

So your saying that 199 out of 200 people that graduate from Cooley don't crack 6 figures in their life. ??? ???

At the same relative point in their career? I doubt it, but I don't really care as I'm not at Cooley.

I started at 83k with a mid-sized firm here in my home state. 27 attorneys -- damn same that I will forever be limited to making an additional 17k a year...

I'm not sure why you would assume that about the other category either; but I think you got my point anyway. As I said before, I don't have a personal beef with Cooley, and I have no problem understanding why some people like it there.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Go or re-apply
« on: April 22, 2010, 09:17:14 PM »
Northwestern will be very hard to get academia from. Not impossible, but don't count on it. So the question is, are you find with just practicing law if you don't get academia?

If so, then the NW sounds fine. If not, reapply and go to HYS. You should at least get into H.

I have some sort of a beef with this argument; getting a job in academia is very hard from anywhere. One of my best friends is a Princeton undergrad, Yale JD cumma sum laude, and worked for Wachtell for several years; he got rejected numerous times before getting a shot at teaching at a law school. It just stands to reason that this is one of the most difficult career paths you can possibly have.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 22, 2010, 09:14:38 PM »
These words say it all "they didn't hear anything back"

I'm sure they could have done more, but the fact is that there are way more qualified applicants to JAG than job opportunities.
So a great deal of applicants simply can't get a job there no matter what they do.

The argument (that someone else made) that getting into JAG is some sort of easy back-up plan is ridiculous.
It's almost as silly as those who claim anyone can get a job at a DAs office.   Most public sector jobs are extremely competitive.  

You make (sort of) a valid point. DA jobs are very attractive in metropolitan areas. In rural areas, DA jobs are not that attractive. But yeah, in the major cities, DA jobs are only marginally behind BigLaw and Federal clerkships in terms of selectivity. JAG is more manageable, but still not an easy job to get by any means. Especially not if you're gay.:p

Edit: I obviously forgot USAO, which at the very least belong together with BigLaw and FedClerk.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: law school scam
« on: April 22, 2010, 08:41:05 PM »
Yeah, lawschoolscam and laidofflawyer doesn't sound biased at all.

Do you guys also watch Fox News and go "Hey, this really is fair and balanced!" ?

Just asking.

The problem is that most of the sources about law school and the legal profession either come from unemployed JDs, law students, and law schools/faculty.
Employed, busy, successful lawyers don't really have time to blog about it very much.

Obviously, at least to some degree. There's plenty of blawgs from practicing attorneys too, but surprisingly enough they're usually about the law and not about how much law school does (or does not) suck.

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