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Current Law Students / Re: How do you think like a lawyer?
« on: April 28, 2010, 06:55:05 PM »
I think you are right on the lack of feedback/being efficent comments. It's probably what causes the most problem.
What practical solution do you have for these problems? Since you claim you are doing well, would you mind sharing your techniques to overcome these difficulties? I would really appreciate any help.

Unfortunately, I don't really know. Only thing I've done that has helped me is to find good supplements, and make sure I have an outline that is focused on exams; which means they aren't 100 pages long. Just narrow stuff down as much as you can, you should be able to get a class down to around 10 pages I think. Keep in mind that a lot of your class mates will be gaming professors; especially 1L (if you have electives) and first semester 2L. They'll be taking easy A classes instead of stuff that's actually relevant to them. If you want a job with high focus on GPA (i.e. all of them), you'll want to do the same thing. is your friend.

Also, don't spend time trying to impress your professor in class. That means 1) don't be a gunner. Nobody likes a gunner. Usually that includes professors. 2) Don't spend too much time worrying about the game. Nobody really gives a crap about every little detail in Palsgraf; if you find and remember the black letter law you're good. That's all you really need to know.

Since me and Thane are starting to agree on things (and I still haven't read his book), I won't bother replying much since I think we're on the same page. I'm also not saying you should be a slacker in law school; indeed not. Just don't let it be everything that matters in your life. For 2L and 3L years I've had a policy of never taking books home. Once the day is over, it's over. That has been good to me, it means that after 6PM most days, I don't have to think about law school at all. It's great.

That's not solid advice for a 1L though, 1L year just has to be horrible, sorry. You don't really have the study technique or experience to be efficient in your reading, you also have a heavier course load than in 2L and 3L years (for some reason that is absolutely beyond me).

Current Law Students / Re: How do you think like a lawyer?
« on: April 28, 2010, 11:23:49 AM »
Getting drunk is fine, but is more effective if done after one's final final.  = :  )

Obviously, but I really don't think it's a benefit to completely give up having a life, being social, etc during the school year either. I know a lot of law students go into absolute panic mode, especially around finals time where they literally don't do anything but study. I really doubt that is good for you, both because it's going to make you super anxious, plus having some R&R is healthy for you.

Now, I don't discuss grades much with people, but what I do know is who is employed, where different people got jobs etc, and it doesn't seem to me that the super-OCD-students did any better than the more laid back of us; on the contrary. Mind you, perhaps I feel more laid back because this stuff is coming easier to me than others, and I'm just a lucky guy, I don't know. But contrary to "popular belief", I don't see gunners and over-anxious super-readers actually getting better grades than those of us who approach this as just school.

You're quite right that that's not what I recommend.  As to having a life, that's quite right too.  But which is which?  If you've multiple trust funds from which you're simply overwhelmed figuring out how to rid yourself of all those disbursements, good for you.  For everyone else, this is hardly a game, sober or otherwise.

Obviously, my point is simply that going to the level of desperation is never a good way to achieve anything. If you are really struggling with law school, I think it's more likely your problem is with the way you are studying, not the amount of time you put in. In all fairness, I think you made that point as well a bit earlier.

For pre-laws, don't make the mistake many do by studying too much, poorly, and then deciding what you're going to let pass.  What happens is that students re-focus on the wrong things--those things that have a low cost-benefit--and let the few good tools lie unused.  

Come exam time, all this goes away.  What is left is your professor (via the exam) and you.

By now, outlines and practice exams are key.  But an outline isn't to "study"; it's to use.  How?  By working through a dozen practice exams for each subject, and spending an equal amount of time dissecting just what you hit (and why) and what you missed (and why).  This is intense, and focused.  This is why highlighting, notes, brown-nosing, etc. are so pointless.

At this point, how about a half-dozen practice exams each?

You're making sense here, the problem I have is that you're not going to know whether your answers to practice exams are right or not, in the eyes of the professor. I had one professor during 1L that actually let us do a practice exam question (just one out of three on that old exam) and gave us feedback on it. That was absolutely invaluable. But 99% of the practice exams you do, you're not getting any feedback at all. If you didn't know what was right or wrong when doing that practice exam, how would you know afterwards?

my husband when were just married and younger was insistant that i change my last name (and i did).  now he says he completely doesn't care (esp if the children have his last name with no hyphens)

So he no longer loves you, but he still likes having his mark made on the children. ;)

Current Law Students / Re: Retiring Attorney Fields Essay Questions
« on: April 26, 2010, 11:40:25 PM »
but snookie is in Jersey and that is so close..... :-*

As long as she stays on her side of the river, I have no problem with her.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: April 26, 2010, 11:27:29 PM »
Well, I haven't had any take-home exams, but if there was any one I'd want, I would imagine it was CivPro. The more statute or rule based the exam, the better it would be to take it at home I would imagine.

I applied last year and they rejected me. For some reason, I thought this year they would let me in. I was wrong, rejected again. I kept my letter from last year and compared it to the e-mail rejection, they're practically the same! Here is this year's rejection E-MAIL. Check out the ESQ. behind the admissions dean's name. So lawyers do the choosing, well that explains a lot!  ::)

All schools just use a default template for rejections, nothing inherently bad about this school for that reason. That being said, have you considered putting some effort into LSAT practicing?

Current Law Students / Re: Retiring Attorney Fields Essay Questions
« on: April 26, 2010, 11:18:08 PM »
No idea, I'm taking it in July. NY of course. Rest of the country can take their tea party flags and FOAD as far as I'm concerned.

Not in Michigan.What state did you take it in. Does your state still get you "score out" of haveing to have the essay part graded if you ace the multiplechoice?(my state stopped doing that recently)

Einstein the computer point is moot, you can't use that on the bar. They give you paper or a typewritter, thats your only options.

Uhm, yes, yes you can.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Take Home tests
« on: April 26, 2010, 11:16:49 PM »
This post brings the lulz. My Civ Pro prof crafted an exam last semester that I legitimately worked on for the entire 8 hours and I probably could have used another hour. It sucked out loud. I had two take homes last semester and I have one this semester. Trust me, it's not as easy as it sounds.

Yet, I am willing to bet, if you had the choice on every exam whether to take it in class room or as a take-home, you'd take every single one home. I know I would at least.

Politics and Law-Related News / Re: Health Care
« on: April 26, 2010, 05:55:43 PM »
The problem isn't health insurance it's health care costs.

You have to be a fool to thing those two aren't causally connected.

A US doctor earns several 100 grand/yr after going to school for 8 years after highschool plus 4-8 years of residency. Frankly, after that kind of time and money investment, they deserve huge salaries.

I come from a country with universal, government paid healthcare. Our doctors still make from $100-500k a year. I don't see how there's a conflict between paying what people deserve and still offering healthcare for everyone.

We just have this "right to health care" mentality (meaning the right to see a M.D. whenever we have the flue).

Really? Seems to me Americans are less entitled to health care (and also expect less) than anyone else, in any other industrialized country.

A two-year degree doesn't deserve more than a $35k/yr salary (in all but large cities) and the cost of health care should reflect that. I suppose other wages could increase to match health care wages, but that's not happening so health care wages and spending should decrease.

If you think it's the salaries of doctors that create ridiculous healthcare costs, you're seriously delusional.

US' number one problem - the feeling that we have the "right" to evertything we want even if we cannot pay for it.

Really? Expecting society to have the decency to give everyone healthcare is the number one problem in the US? Really?!

Plus the right to a bailout when life treats us bad. Just look at our credit card debt verses savings and poor families (or single mothers) with 3+ children - not to mention our Fed. and State deficits. In other words, we are selfish.

So whether you live or die is analogous to credit card debt?

Where did this come from?  I do hope you're just being your usual snarky self.

Of course, that doesn't mean I'm not right.

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