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Transferring / Re: Transferring out of Miami
« on: May 20, 2011, 11:05:56 AM »
I would just note that you shouldn't give too much weight to IP rankings.  They are almost entirely useless.  Not once have I had a job interviewer say (or ask) that Santa Clara is a good IP school.  I'm sure it goes the same for many other schools outside of the T14 law schools.  If you're getting an interview from a school outside the Top 25 (let alone the T14), you're likely getting it because of where you went to school and because someone at the interviewing firm either went there too or has hired successful students from that school in the past.  What I mean to say is (I guess in the end) that IP rankings don't mean much to job interviewers or selectors.  You're probably not going to get a job over someone attending the #8 IP school just because you go to the #7 IP school. 

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Transferring / Re: Transferring out of Miami
« on: May 17, 2011, 01:24:02 AM »
I agree for the most part with bigs, but as far as I know, Santa Clara actually moved up in the rankings and was ranked lower last year.  (It wasn't 74 in 2010, it was in the 90's).  That's besides the point and doesn't really matter.  As many people have said before me, I think that outside the top 14 law schools, region is incredibly important.  I can't speak of the IP market in Houston, but I can speak a bit as a 2L law student in the bay area.  There are internships available, and I had like 4 or 5 interviews as a 2L.  I just don't know how much sense it makes for someone to transfer down in the rankings (for instance, out of Miami).  I can honestly say I've never heard of anyone doing it.  Not saying it's the wrong move, but it's certainly unusual.  Your best bet may be to speak with IP attorneys in the area of your current school and see what they think.  If you honestly believe you will have little to no shot at finding a job in IP law upon graduation, maybe consider a change.  Past "good markets" for IP law (from what I've been told) include, but are not limited to DC, NY, the bay area, and Chicago.  If you have specific questions about schools in the bay area or job hunting in the bay area, feel free to pm me.  I am still a student, but I've had a bit of experience job hunting here. 

*EDIT*  just out of curiosity, I checked Santa Clara's passed rankings.  85 - 2009, 93-2010, 84 - 2011.  Bigs is right that outside tier 1, rankings fluctuate quite a bit.  For instance, Villanova, a past highly ranked t2 dropped nearly 20 spots this year.  Just interesting to note.

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Updated tables would be incredibly helpful for potential transfers.  I got rejected from a school that was low enough in the rankings that I figured I would be a shoe-in (because my grades were very good).  I was pretty confused, but after looking at your book, I saw that they only took 1 transfer a year.  It was worth purchasing the book for that sole reason (the peace of mind). 

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I bought your book last year (rather my dad got it for me) and a lot of hit was helpful.  I found the tables with school data to be the most helpful.  Much easier than searching individual school's websites or lsac. 

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Transferring / Re: Letters of Recommendation
« on: April 20, 2011, 03:46:38 PM »
I would also spend time talking to a teacher.  They will be much more inclined to write a good letter about someone they actually know. 

As for the schools, it's difficult to say where exactly to apply.  It really depends where you rank in your school currently (maybe try to find that out).  Philadelphia has a few tier 2 schools in Temple, Villanova, and Rutgers (actually in Camden, just across the river from Philly).  Off the top of my head, I can't think of any tier 3's, but Drexel may be a tier 3/4?  Finally, Widener is a tier 4 about 30 minutes from Philly.  Of course there is UPenn also, but I doubt they take many (if any) tier 4 transfers.  I can't speak about the other cities because I'm not from any of them.  Hope this helps.

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I was top 3% at a tier 4 last year and didn't get into Villanova.  I applied pretty late though and I'm pretty sure that's a big reason why I didn't get in. 

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Transferring / Re: T3 to T2
« on: February 27, 2011, 03:39:32 PM »
Yeah agreed.  I just read your words in a slightly different light.  I agree though.  There is no point for a school to give a transfer student a discount when the same student would likely pay full price  :o

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Transferring / Re: T3 to T2
« on: February 27, 2011, 12:13:34 AM »
People often end up near the location they go to school because practitioners often like to recruit students who went to the same school they did.  That's my perception at least. 

The OP said something about getting a scholarship to the school you transfer to because you had a high GPA at your first school. I have never heard of this happening.  Is this something that actually occurs?  Seems to me if you apply to transfer to the school, you want to leave your school and go to the new one.  They wouldn't need to entice you to come by offering a scholarship.  I just never heard of this happening and am curious if it ever does. 

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Transferring / Re: Transfer from Cooley
« on: February 24, 2011, 02:45:32 PM »
Everyone here was very open to meeting new ppl, especially when I first got here.  The thing is, the first people you meet when you transfers are other transfers (bc of transfer orientation).  It just happened that way.  I went out and hung out with a bunch of students who started here, but it's probably more difficult to break into the scene like that when everyone else has a 1yr start on you.  In reality, the reason I am in closer contact with transfers is because I met them at orientation and we had similar class schedules.  It may not be the same for everyone. 

why do you mostly hang out with other transfers? Is everyone else already in their cliche?
Well that is tough to gauge.  My new school offers so many more classes in my concentration than Cooley did.  In that respect, educational quality has increased greatly from the T4 to T2.  I suspect you are wondering more about teachers and classes in general though.  I liked my teachers at Cooley and they were all very knowledgeable.    Many came from well respected schools themselves like UM.  I can say the same about professors here. 

As for the students, they are probably a bit more intelligent on average here.  They don't work quite as hard, but they don't have to because the school doesn't require every test be 100% closed book.  I spend most of my time with other transfers though, so my perception is based entirely on grade distributions and student responses in class.  Is this the type of response you were looking for?  If not, feel free to clarify.   

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Transferring / Re: Transfer from Cooley
« on: February 24, 2011, 01:13:14 AM »
Well that is tough to gauge.  My new school offers so many more classes in my concentration than Cooley did.  In that respect, educational quality has increased greatly from the T4 to T2.  I suspect you are wondering more about teachers and classes in general though.  I liked my teachers at Cooley and they were all very knowledgeable.    Many came from well respected schools themselves like UM.  I can say the same about professors here. 

As for the students, they are probably a bit more intelligent on average here.  They don't work quite as hard, but they don't have to because the school doesn't require every test be 100% closed book.  I spend most of my time with other transfers though, so my perception is based entirely on grade distributions and student responses in class.  Is this the type of response you were looking for?  If not, feel free to clarify.   

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