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Boston U / Re: More About BU
« on: March 30, 2003, 08:41:17 AM »
I have no idea what Emory or USC are like.  Those be in drivin' cities - I hate driving.

As far as transferring goes, there were a couple people that transfered out last year.  It's pretty much pointless to transfer though, because the schools above BU aren't going to get you much futher.  To teach, you're probably going to need to go to Yale, Harvard, or Princeton.  It's doubtful you'd get into those from BU even if you were #1 in the class (otherwise you'd have gotten in in the first place, or at least gotten into somewhere a little more competitive - they still look at your LSAT and what not).  For other jobs, it's not going to make that much of a difference to go to a slightly better school.  If you did well enough to transfer to a better school, you're probably in a fine position to get a good job based on your first year grades.  If you transfer, you gain nothing, but you'll have to move away from your new friends and you might not be able to be on a journal.  There's really no point - but yes, you can transfer from BU and maybe even to someplace better.

Who are the "student ambassoadors"?  Are they current students?  If so they'll probably tell you anything you want to know.  I don't think people get paid for those tours.  (We do get paid for calling people.)  In any case, no one really has much to gain by witholding anything about the school (unless the Dean is standing right there).  They'll tell it like it is.

Boston U / Re: competitive?
« on: May 19, 2003, 04:01:02 PM »
There is, roughly speaking, a B+ average.  (It's something a little more complicated than that, official info here:

Of course the actual GPA doesn't matter so much.  Employers seem mostly concerned with one's rank within the class.  Rank is only determined at the end of each year.  What kind of grades would you need to be to make the 1/3, .25, and .10 cuts?  You can get an idea here:
(they just took down last years numbers, but they'll be out again soon for this year's 1Ls and 2Ls (3Ls get grades early so they can graduate).

The GPA cutoffs should be irrelevant to outsiders of course, because the difficulty of getting a certain GPA is a factor of rank in the first place (because the classes are curved).  In other words - my favorite line: to be in the top x%, you have to do better than 1-x% of the other students.  It's simple, circular logic, but most entering students believe they'll be near the top.  Most are thus wrong.

As far as competition, every year will be different because there are all new students.  I wouldn't say I've experienced any institutionalized competition, but maybe I've been sabatoged and I just don't know it.  After all, shouldn't I be in the top 10%?


Boston U / Re: competitive?
« on: May 18, 2003, 05:14:38 PM »
I've always had trouble defining "competitive".  In my view, there are only two ways to compete: (1) try to do better than others, (2) try to make others do worse than you.

In the second sense, no I wouldn't say BU is competitive.  My classmates are friendly about sharing notes and exchanging knowledge, and I've yet to see the pages ripped out of any library books.

If the first sense, of course it's competitive.  One has to do better (on exams) than 90% of the others to be in the top 10% of the class.  Simple fact.  The economy sucks and jobs are hard to come by.  The best thing you can do is try to be at the top - but of course that's worthless advice when applied to an entire school - everyone, taken as a whole, will always be average.

I don't mean to dismiss your question by the way - let me know if there's anything specific you were wondering.

Boston U / Re: summers
« on: June 03, 2003, 11:42:36 AM »
My first summer I worked at a non-profit legal center ("The Hale and Dorr Legal Services Center of Harvard University").  I got a grant through a BU group called the Public Interest Project.  They give a lot grants but the competition can be stiff - and you have to earn the grant by raising money.

This summer I'm thus-far unemployed.  Actually I have a good sorta "quarter-time" job and a couple good leads for other jobs.  I have a lot of friends at big firms in NY and some in Boston (more in NY).  I wouldn't say that's the norm though.  The economy is bad and most people seem to be grabbing what they can get - working for a professor, a small firm, or public interest (often unpaid).  Hopefully things will pick up for everyone in the next year or two.

As far as resources, the Career Development office is somewhat helpful.  They have job listings, advice (cover letters, resumes), and they try to do a little more (alumni meetings and what not).

I'm not sure as to where everyone worked vs. wanted to work.  Most of my friends stayed in Boston the first year, and either stayed or went to NY the second.  It seems like most people that go to other states are from those states.

I doubt law-related experience had too much effect on people getting 1L jobs, but I'm not sure.  I didn't notice much difference between people who worked before law school and those who came straight from college.  Employers often ask for cover letters and resumes.  Sometimes they ask for a transcript (usually not undergrad unless you're doing patents), and a writing sample.  They rarely ask for references and when they do, they hardly ever call them.

Summer before 1L I finished up my job in San Francisco, moved all my stuff home to Seattle, came to Boston to find an apartment, and went back to Seattle where I can't remember doing much of anything before moving to Boston.

Boston U / Re: Class of 2006 Yahoogroup
« on: June 20, 2003, 12:54:29 PM »
Or you can just use this board - that's what it's here for.

Boston U / Re: Welcome 1Ls!
« on: July 18, 2003, 09:32:01 AM »
I didn't read that one so I don't know.  Generally the advice is true - there's nothing you can do to prepare.  That depends a little bit on your education though.  I studied philosophy and communication in college - and honestly I had no clue how the court system or administrative agencies were set up.  I didn't even know who was on the Supreme court.  (Philosophy helped in crim though - "Utilitarianism?" seen that before...)

So if you're like I was, I would recommend getting some basic knowledge of politics and law.  That "American Courts" book listed on the pre-law books page is a great introduction to the courts (boring though).  We had to read it in my Civ Pro class - but the professor I had left BU, so I don't know if anyone is using it anymore.  Farnsworth had his students read A Civil Action and pick up the [link=]companion guide[/link] to all the documents.  That might be a good intro.

[link=]Introduction to Legal Reasoning[/link] is another one I'd recommend.  It's a classic.

Boston U / Re: Welcome 1Ls!
« on: July 10, 2003, 04:50:47 AM »
I don't have any numbers regarding 2L summer employment.  I'd say that most people do have paying jobs - but not those fancy "Summer Associate" jobs.  A lot of people are relying on smaller firms, government, public interest, and anywhere they have a connection (uncle's firm or whatever).

That's not to say that people aren't getting big firm jobs - a lot of people are.  Probably 30% or more (this is just based on asking around - no numbers).  I'm under the impression that the number was a lot higher when times were good though.

Still - there are those (myself included) that just had really bad luck this year.  I have two part-time jobs, only one of which is paid.  How do I afford my rent?  I don't.  I'm borrowing from my dad this summer.  It's only a couple grand - not a big deal when you consider that you're spending about a grand a week just to go to class during the school year.  (Plus my dad gives me 0% percent interest.)

With a little luck - and perhaps a new president, there should be many more options by the time this year's class reaches the second year.

Boston U / Re: Welcome 1Ls!
« on: June 17, 2003, 05:28:59 PM »
I hope it's not my employment comments that are making you think twice about BU.  While the job market certainly does suck, I don't think it's a BU thing at all - its just the job market - it'd be the same at any school.

Boston U / Re: Journal membership
« on: July 24, 2003, 11:29:15 AM »
Yes - there was a problem and some posts got erased.

I can't confirm that all the journals have notified.  (I can't confirm that any have notified - I'm just a 3L trying to help.)

I do know that last year they were all on their own schedule and some notified up to a week later than others.

If you don't get on a journal - don't panic.  You're probably better off anyway.  It's a lot of work for the reward.  You can always do moot court to have a strong academic activity on your resume (also a lot of work though).

Boston U / Re: Journal membership
« on: July 18, 2003, 09:09:21 AM »
Yeah - that's what I meant.  I never know what to say during the summer.  I usually stick with "Class of 2004" or whatever.  So yeah it's the 2005ers that are anxious - no one else cares.

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