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Job Search / Re: Legal Research Question for Students and New G
« on: September 09, 2003, 09:39:42 AM »
My understanding is that all students have access to Lexis and Westlaw through their schools, but are only permitted to use the accounts for scholastic research.  At my school, both companies were very clear about this when they gave us our accounts.  They noted that if we do work for others, we should use a password provided by the employer.

The library access is just a computer pointed to  One still has to login with their Lexis password.

Of course, most, if not all the things someone would be looking up in Lexis are available in law school libraries.  It just takes longer to find things.

Job Search / Re: Legal Research Question for Students and New G
« on: September 07, 2003, 03:17:20 PM »
This is not an atypical situation.  I would say any second or third year student would be qualified, but some will have more knowledge of your specific areas depending on which classes that student has taken.  Most of the second and third year classes are electives, and a student that has taken consumer law, for example, will be much more efficient working on a consumer law case (because she will have already studied the foundational cases and issues).

I would expect to see a pay range somewhere between $10 and $20 per hour for this type of job.  (This is based on my experience in Boston, the range might be different in other areas of the country.)

Other considerations:

I'd say that prior work experience can be very important depending on the industry.  You might work better with someone who knows something about the way business is done in your industry.

Take note of the academic schedule.  Students can sometimes have varied availability.

Lexis and Westlaw do not come free with the student, and that's an important consideration.  You should either provide access to the student or remind them that they should use only library and free internet resources in their capacity as an employee.  

In my opinion, law firms overemphasize grades.  Remember that grades are generally determined solely by a final exam.  Look instead at research related classes such as Legal Writing and seminar classes (which usually determine a grade by a term paper instead of an exam).  Request a transcript for grade information.

To find a student, I'd suggest placing job listings with the career offices of various law schools.  I think most law students turn to the career office first when looking for employment.

Job Search / Re: NALP web site
« on: August 04, 2002, 05:19:23 AM »
Thanks for the tip Crisp.  I've discovered that the same directory is also available on Lexis.  I like the format better, but that site goes down too often.

For the lexis version go to and click the career center tab at the top then click on "form based search".

You can try this link directly but I don't know if it will work or if you have to log in first...

Job Search / What are our options?
« on: September 20, 2001, 02:15:48 PM »
It's unlikely that we'll be working at law firms this summer.  So what are our options?  Does anyone know what a typical 1L summer is like?  What I mean to ask is... What do most 1Ls do over the summer?

Transferring / introduction to the topic
« on: July 10, 2003, 05:09:01 AM »
By request, here is a transferring student's board.  This is in the students section of the website because you have to be a law student before you can transfer.

This fact shouldn't limit the discussion to current law students.  Understandably, a lot of pre-law applicants are interested in transferring even before starting school.  Feel free to discuss that interest here.

Pursuing an LLM / About this board
« on: April 12, 2003, 10:22:49 AM »
I've noticed LLM students and applicants popping up in various places around the site.  While you should feel free to post anywhere, I'm creating this category to provide a specific place for LLM related discussion.

Right not we'll keep it broad.  In the future there may be boards for specific types of LLMs.

If you don't already have a law degree and you're interested in discussins admissions to JD programs, you should not post here.  Instead, visit the Pre-Law board:

Online Law Schools / Re: Study material swap
« on: March 02, 2003, 11:08:55 AM »

Thanks for the tip on finding cheap books.  My school also sells books through our Student Bar Association.  It might be worth checking local law schools for similar finds.  I've also had success on (both buying and selling). is a good site too, but I've never actually used their service.

Current Law Students / Re: fact patterns
« on: April 25, 2002, 01:47:14 PM »
Another semester done - these exams are still a great resource.  Thanks for finding those Daniel.

Most people "brief" cases as Devin suggests.  Make a template with the essentials:

Case name and cite

This is the way I learned it.  You can change things around to make it more intuitive (I never understood why Decision was in between Issue and Holding, but I got used to it and now I just do it that way.)  The important thing is to look for the holding and rationale.  Why did the casebook editors include this case?  What does this case add to the cases you've read before?

Current Law Students / Re: 1L second semester sucks!
« on: February 16, 2002, 09:57:39 AM »
I changed my mind - second semester is pretty good.  I think the first couple weeks were just a bit rough.  Constitutional law and Property will never be as good as Torts and Criminal, but they're still pretty good classes.

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