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Pursuing an LLM / Re: Perks to an LLM
« on: April 11, 2012, 12:17:06 AM »

(1) You are a foreign student, but you backdoor your way into US legal practice through an LLM;
(2) You were not originally qualified for Biglaw, but you get a tax LLM from one of the top schools and backdoor your way into Biglaw.


Current Law Students / Re: I am really bad at making decisions
« on: April 11, 2012, 12:15:10 AM »
2L at a TTTT... I've done some clerking for a judge this last semester

No, you haven't clerked for a judge.  What you did is either an "internship" or "externship".  You didn't clerk.  This drives me crazy.  This may be why you're getting dinged at the firms you're applying to.  If you put that on your resume and I was the hiring partner (who has clerked), I'd instantly throw it in the trash.

Not sure why people can't get this right - are you deliberately trying to puff up your qualifications or are you just that ignorant?

Job Search / Re: Federal Judicial Clerkship Interview
« on: April 10, 2012, 01:58:32 AM »
Unofficial will do, unless otherwise stated.  Good luck.

Black Law Students / Re: I need some good advise......
« on: April 01, 2012, 11:04:06 PM »
I'm guessing you didn't get any scholarship money?  If not, I wouldn't go.

Feel free to PM me if you need any more info.

Law School Admissions / Re: could this help me get in?
« on: April 01, 2012, 02:35:28 AM »
You'll get in everywhere you apply!

I have no other choice to attend a 4 tier at this point, and I am pretty confident that I will be able to transfer out..

BWAAHAHAHAHA!!!  You and everyone else at your T4 are "pretty confident" that they will transfer out.  Since only the top 5-10% will have that opportunity, that leaves a good 90-95% that are SOL.  You shouldn't go to a law school in hopes that you will transfer out - the odds are stacked pretty heavily against you.  But, good luck to you, you'll need it!

getting into law school is an accomplishment in and of itself and something to be proud of.

No.  It used to be an accomplishment - until more and more law schools opened up that started admitting anyone with a pulse.

Take the $200k you would otherwise blow on law school and invest in a casino.  You'll make more money.

If you have to go to law school, since you're not competitive for the top 14, select the state in which you want to practice and go to the highest ranked law school within that state that you can get into.

Job Search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: March 19, 2012, 10:06:24 PM »
Nice.  We're actually about even on the stats.

Job Search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: March 17, 2012, 10:37:46 PM »
This thread is very interesting. 
I think the economy is getting better, but I still think some law students are absolutely delusional.  My first comment would be that JAG is insanely competitive.  It isn't just difficult to get it, it's almost impossible if you are a normal civilian law student. 

Next, I'll tell you about a few of the jobs I didn't get during my ridiculously long and vigorous job search.

This all occurred in the late summer months of 2011:

1:  Staff Attorney position for a state supreme court. ($61,000/yr)   I made the top four out of 150 applicants, but I was rejected all the same.
2:  District Court Judge Clerk ($38,000/yr), they received 120 applications from law school graduates.  I did not get an interview.
3:  A 50/50 split office share with a solo practitioner (Who Knows?/yr)  I made the final two out of twenty interviewees.  Yes, twenty post-bar applicants actually interviewed for a 1099 spot with no benefits where you get 50% of what you collect.
4:  An associate position at a large firm in a small market.  The hiring partner is a friend of my fathers, and he told me that they received over 300 applications, 50 of which were from IVY league graduates.  He also mentioned that they hired two summer clerks out of 115 applications.
5:  An associate position in a small firm in a small market.  They interviewed ten candidates and they only offered $35,000 a year with no bonuses.  They managed to hire an attorney licensed in two states.

I ended up finding a decent job, but I ended up getting lucky.

So, yes, you can get a job, but there aren't really any easy avenues right now.  Even independent contractor doc review positions are competitive.

Good info, but I'm curious as to (1) your stats, and (2) your new job.  Congrats, by the way!

Black Law Students / Re: I need some good advise......
« on: February 24, 2012, 06:47:32 AM »
Wonder how things panned out for this guy.  Unless he cracked the 170 mark, there's no way he was getting into LSU, Tulane, or U of Houston.

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