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Pursuing an LLM / Re: Perks to an LLM
« on: April 16, 2012, 10:01:22 PM »
So I take you are against affirmitive action then? (taking that race card aspect out of it) Afterall that is the ultimate example of putting someone somewhere not due to merit but due to what they look like in the mirror.

I'm not against certain forms of affirmitive action.  I think that there should be enough minority scholarships built into the system so as to make sure that minorities are adequately represented.  On the other hand, I wouldn't hand the scholarships out like candy, and they would be reserved for only the smartest within each group of minorities).

How about neither?  Re-take the LSAT and go to a better school.

Pursuing an LLM / Re: Perks to an LLM
« on: April 15, 2012, 09:47:01 PM »
Yes.  Raise the admission standards and erect higher barriers to getting federal loans.

People won't simply choose not to go to college.  Everyone thinks they're a special little snowflake - afterall, their mothers told them so.

Pursuing an LLM / Re: Perks to an LLM
« on: April 13, 2012, 04:08:59 AM »
Do you think that is because there are just too many earning the LLM then? I know a lot of people complain about there being "too many college grads these days" (sometimes refering to PhD's and MBA's but often just any college grad at all, which is nuts since less than a third even finish a BA leaving almost as many unable to fully read and write at GED level)

I can see the supply/demand aspect of it as far as the LLM part goes.

Oversupply is only part of the problem.  Demand has significantly dropped off as well.  Employers have taken the position (rightfully, IMO) that a JD is all that is necessary to guage practice potential, and that the slight educational benefit gained from the LLM rarely overcomes lackluster JD performance or lack of actual work experience.

Getting off subject a bit for a moment, do you think the number of BA grads has been a good or bad thing for the nation? I ask since yes there are more people able to do each trade but growing up I couldn't make it a day without hearing teachers cry about how "we are falling behind the Japanese, if we were all smarter we'd do better as a nation and have a better economy" So now I hear the never ending converse of that. What's your take on it? More educaton = better or = worse, and why?

(1) I think this country needs to focus more on the maths and sciences.  Innovation is key to the growth of the US;
(2) I think that too many people are going to college in the US.  Some people have no business going to college and should, instead, learn a craft.  Many people go to college and don't learn a damned thing - in fact, my high school offered a far more rigorous education than my college; and
(3) Teachers are self-interested.  More students = more $$$.

Pursuing an LLM / Re: Perks to an LLM
« on: April 12, 2012, 12:47:25 PM »
Why do you think then so many american grads still get non tax LLM's? I ask since there seem to be them offered at nearly every law school.

They're hoping for the best.  But, more times than not, it just doesn't pan out.

LLMs are known as the cash cows of law schools.  The schools do it because they can.  They care not about the desparate law students they lure in.  Afterall, how else will they fund their own salaries? 

Back in the old days (when there weren't so many lawyers around), an LLM was more valuable.  You'll notice that a lot of older lawyers made it into Biglaw with bullsh1t LLMs, like an LLM in "Litigation".  Today, the jig is up - an LLM rarely carries any weight.

Someone please help :) I want some opinions!!

Neither.  Retake the LSAT.

Job Search / Re: Emailing potential employees
« on: April 12, 2012, 03:34:42 AM »


Pursuing an LLM / Re: Perks to an LLM
« on: April 12, 2012, 12:03:48 AM »
So basicly only if needed to get licensed or if you have a 2.5 from drake and want to get into a harvard mans firm?

Does the LLM license thing work in all states? If so do you think an online grad with an ABA LLM could pull it off too?

Your first sentence is correct (assuming that the grad from Drake got a Tax LLM and did well).  Generally, Tax LLMs are the only LLMs that can give a significant boost to a non T-14 US law grad in the Biglaw market. 

Now that I've put more thought into it, let me add a 3rd reason to get an LLM:  (3) US Law graduate graduated summa or magna and wants to break into legal academia. 

As to your second question, see pages 14 - 19 of this:
You will see that New York and California, two of the largest jurisdictions for legal work, allow foreigners to sit for the bar after completing the LLM.  In other states, the LLM allows foreigners to fulfill the "Legal education in English common law" and "Additional education at an ABA-approved law school" prongs that are often required.

Current Law Students / Re: I am really bad at making decisions
« on: April 11, 2012, 10:52:40 AM »
Give law a try.  If you can work your way into a small firm (pay is often around $40k to start), you'll be able to lateral to a better firm in 3 years.  Like I said, if you can get a job out of the gate, all is not lost.

Current Law Students / Re: I am really bad at making decisions
« on: April 11, 2012, 04:43:47 AM »
Your transcript says it was a clinic.  It should be listed as a clinical class on your resume and referred to as such in conversation.  Former clerks are very anal about this because interns and externs are (1) generally less credentialed than clerks; and (2) given lesser forms of work. 

Trust me on this.  I'm  not trying to be an a-hole - just trying to warn you (and others) on this board of the consequences of (possibly inadvertently) listing it as "clerkship" experience.

Good luck on your legal career, though.  I have a feeling that all is not lost.  Sometimes you have to send out 1,000 resumes and cover letters to get a job.  The good thing for you is that you only need one bite out of the 1,000.  If I were you, I would seriously consider peppering ALL of the local small firms with cover letters and resumes.  Use Martindale, Westlaw, Yellow Pages, etc.  Someone out there could probably use an associate. 

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