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« on: January 28, 2010, 08:35:31 AM »
I say if his school really makes lousy lawyers then you should thanks him for attending it, making your schools grads look good by comparison and be able to thus charge higher rates to clients.
As for getting in though, hell yeah he's better off at that school(or any for that matter) than none at all. What's worse mabey stuggling to pay the bills as a lawyer or for sure going into debt working in some broke factory that will be overseas in a few years anyways leaving you with no pension and no skills?
Mr. studyingdude, what you have written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone viewing this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
« on: January 27, 2010, 11:11:56 PM »
Actually, no, I don't think most T3 or T4 schools have what St. Mary's has to offer. Show me the "many" schools at which students are taught by Supreme Court Justices.
You just don't get it, do you? These summer abroad programs are open to all U.S. law schools
(basically any student who wants to and can pay tuition). The fact that a school sponsors a particular program does not mean that students from other schools are prohibited from attending -- these same opportunities are available to non-St. Mary's students.Examples:
Tulane Law School is pleased to announce that Associate Justice Stephen Breyer of the US Supreme Court will teach a course in the Tulane Law summer program in Cambridge, England. "Over 4,000 law students from approximately 140 U.S. law schools have attended our programs" (Program is open to all law schools)
St. Mary’s program in Innsbruck - No SCOTUS Justice is attending this year... but they have in the past. (Instead, "Judge András Sajó of Europe’s highest court, the European Court of Human Rights... will join the faculty of the 2010 Institute on World Legal Problems as Distinguished Visiting Jurist.") Nevertheless, the website says that "students from over 140 law schools have attended the program." (Program is open to all law schools)
Pacific McGeorge - For the twenty-first consecutive year, Anthony M. Kennedy, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, will co-teach a course on Fundamental Rights in Europe and the United States during the 2010 summer program in Salzburg. All law school students in good standing as well as law graduates are allowed to attend. (http://www.mcgeorge.edu/documents/publications/Salzburg_Program_r2.pdf
) (Program is open to all law schools)
Secondly, most people aren't left with the option or privilege of attending a great T1 or T2 state school. That's exactly why I came to St. Mary's.
Okay, I understand that you couldn't get into a higher ranked school... but just because you can't get into a school doesn't mean that you should go to any
school that will take you.
Finally, the debt is worth it. Why? Because I say so. I'm taking on that debt, as are plenty of other people in order to enjoy what St. Mary's has to offer. And on another note, I came here because I want to practice law, not because I decided that I wanted to be miserable for three years in order to have a better income. The debt is worth it to me so that I can practice law.
First, get a legal job. If you do manage to get a legal job, I want you to come back after working for a few years and tell me how those monthly debt payments are working out for you.
You think three years of law school is miserable... imagine a life of working just to make ends meet - a life where you can never break free of your debt. Once you find that you can't comfortably retire, then ask yourself whether attending St. Mary's was worth it.
I'm sorry that you don't know or appreciate St. Mary's. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience at your school. But some of us are proud of what we're involved with, so don't try to bring us down with you.
Sorry I injected reality into this thread. If that brings you down, so be it.
« on: January 27, 2010, 01:47:26 PM »
Look, I know my tone was over the top at times, but my facts were accurate. My OP was intended to give a student's perspective of St. Mary's. We don't have a marketing department like many schools, so I've decided that it's up to students to speak up about their experience.
John4040, I apologize for reading you as a pre-law student. Nevertheless, I often do see a school getting flamed by young posters who have no actual knowledge. I thought I'd just contribute my part.
My overall point still stands. St. Mary's was very well respected in the past, and I am thankful to be a part of the gradual, continuing process of rebuilding its reputation. It's exciting to see the direction everything is going. I particularly emphasize that we've had Supreme Court Justices teach summer classes to St. Mary's students abroad for the last five years at our Innsbruck Institute. Additionally, I think everyone is thrilled that we now have a China program, at which students will learn how to help businesses navigate the Chinese legal system.
St. Mary's definitely has its issues. And yes, if you don't perform well, you'll have difficulty getting a good job. But at the end of the day, I'm glad that I found myself here, and I'm excited that the class below me is even more impressive than my own.
I commend you for your school pride - I do not share your same enthusiasm for my school. Nevertheless, my position still stands: these opportunities that you have cited (summer program abroad taught by SCOTUS Justices, opportunity for clerkship / BIGLAW positions, etc.) are not particularly unique to your school and they do not justify taking on significant debt (~$90K tuition + living expenses).
Many schools offer summer abroad programs which typically feature elite professors, attorneys, or even SCOTUS Justices. Furthermore, clerkships and BIGLAW positions are typically available to top students at T3s and T4s. This is nothing new. Nor is the concept of alumni from a regional school maintaining a close-knit relationship with current students of that same school an anomaly. Add to that the fact that state T1s and T2s are cheaper than St. Mary's, and you really have problems with your argument.
Once again, I understand your school pride, but nevertheless fail to see why these opportunities distinguish St. Mary's from any other law school.
« on: January 25, 2010, 01:47:06 PM »
thanks for filling me on the difference(and not wasting tax dollars on the clock too)
Does your position require a JD?
No problemo. Yes, it does require a JD. Wikipedia provides a decent write-up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_clerk
« on: January 25, 2010, 01:39:36 PM »
Can a mod confirm that my IP is 208.27.203.x?
That's not your IP- but I'm not sure why you feel the need to proove your status.
Well, I took a screen shot just to confirm that my IP address is, in fact, 208.27.203.x. I deleted the last string of digits because I do not wish to identify my circuit. I deleted the entire IP from my second post because it is my home IP.
I felt the need to prove my status because apparently roblaw believes I'm "an anonymous poster who has yet to even apply to law school."
Right click, view image to see larger image.
« on: January 25, 2010, 01:27:17 PM »
That dosn't really prove anything. I've known a lot of court clerks with less than a full undergrad degree. Better point why waste our tax dollars doing it at work? Are you that bored to go online and BS on the clock with lawstudents? What's your boss think of that? Isn't bragging about your IP address a way of snitching on yourself to get caught?
(1) You wrongly assume that I was on the clock while posting.
(2) I am trying to give prospective students advice based upon my experience - not trying to BS anyone.
(3) I'm a federal judicial law clerk - i.e., an elbow clerk for a judge. I am not a clerk of court.
« on: January 21, 2010, 10:35:53 PM »
People in the bottom of the class are getting jobs - jobs they enjoy.
Please elaborate for everyone reading this post. Go ahead and tell them how much money one can expect to make at one of these jobs. If it's anything less than what they would have otherwise made straight out of college then please explain why going to St. Mary's without a scholarship is a good idea.
I understand that you like your school, but I still don't understand why you troll so hard in an attempt to lull others into drinking your "St. Mary's has great jobs prospects" Kool-Aid. What is the median salary for recent graduates at your school, and if/when you find a statistic, what % of the class reported?
Here's a statistic I found: $55K median with 75% reporting (http://www.college-admission-essay.com/law_stmarysuniversity.html
). I wonder what the median would have been had 100% reported (I'll be generous and assume that the 25% that didn't report made $30K = ~$48,750). Now, let's adjust for the current economic climate... ~$35-40K.
I know it's a bit unscientific, but I would be willing to stake my life on the fact that those numbers I cited are substantially accurate. Why would anyone go $90K in debt for the prospect of making the same as a college grad?
« on: January 21, 2010, 10:26:54 PM »
Anonymous poster who has yet to even apply to law school? I'm a federal clerk... I will post from work, let a mod check my IP address, and have them confirm for you if you wish.
« on: January 18, 2010, 02:04:09 PM »
I fail to see how your opinion is somehow worth more than mine. Prospective students deserve to hear more than just one perspective. I'm not trying to mislead anyone and to make such a suggestion is just plain incorrect, and I resent that statement. It's time to let go of preconceived notions about St. Mary's and accept the fact that this is not the same school it was several years ago.
I don't take issue with your characterization of St. Mary's as a different school than it was in years past. What I do take issue with, however, is roblaw's citing of particular job prospects in his original post which would not be legitimate prospects for anyone below the top 10-15 students
at St. Mary's. Not only was this specific post misleading, but he continues: "My 'average' friends are landing great internships, opportunities, and jobs [from St. Mary's Law]." To this I simply responded that one of my friends, a slightly-above-average student at St. Mary's law, came begging for any type of internship within the last week. I simply don't believe the job prospects are quite as bright as roblaw imagines - that is all.
Read this and then tell me with a straight face that this is not misleading:
"All in all, St. Mary's has some incredible momentum behind it. With top Journals, extremely well-regarded professors, the best judicial internships in the state, the ability to study under a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, and top advocacy programs, you cannot go wrong."
I'll tell you how you can go wrong... by taking on significant debt (~$30K/yr.* 3 = $90K) and not being within the top 10-15 students at St. Mary's.
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