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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: spouse and kids
« on: June 15, 2010, 08:43:51 AM »
Here is what your crazy simpeltonbutt cant seem to wrapitself around, if you dropout you have only debt to show for it, and as far as the higher unemployment in a JD to undergrad all you have to do to fix that if you cant find JD work is leave it off the resume(idiot) but an undergrad only person cant just crap out a JD. Duh. :P

How are you going to explain the giant 3 year resume gap when your prospective employer determines your age or looks at the timing of your college graduation?

Notwithstanding the above, do you know what a sunk cost is?  Allow me to define it for you:

Past expenditures (e.g., Tuition) for a given activity (e.g., Law School) that are typically irrelevant in whole or in part to future decisions. The “sunk cost fallacy” is an attempt to recoup spent dollars by spending still more dollars in the future.  Therefore, sunk costs should be ignored in determining whether a new investment (e.g., Additional year of law school) is worthwhile.

So then, I ask you:  Why would you proceed with law school and accumulate more debt, only to leave your JD off of your resume?  Wouldn't you be better off quitting law school midway, sparing yourself more debt, and just leaving the JD off your resume?  By going to law school, you're essentially throwing good money after bad.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: spouse and kids
« on: June 15, 2010, 07:53:03 AM »
So you are saying law school is the ONLY other option or the BEST other option for a post grad career?  Again, unless going to a T1 or getting serious financial help, my answer is 'NO' to both.

Presently the unemployment rate for college grads is about 5%.  The unenployment rate for new JDs is about 10% - and climbing.  Tack $150K in debt and a messed up family and I can not see how it is a good choice.

kids also need a dad who is able to support them and not just be some middle position go nowhere at best pee-on.
Lots of jobs require you to be away, lawschool is not worse than overtime at some factory or office gig. The only guys that are home all the time without a PHD tend to be 30hour a week guys who worry about keeping the lights turned on. Those families tend to  have their fare share of issues equal to if not beyond that of a lawstudent or a lawyer.

Toss in studentloans with no degree, that can't help.

Don't waste your breath.  These fools think that landing an internship or summer associate position is equivalent to landing an associate position.  When you try to warn them that the legal profession is in shambles, and that they are taking on absurd amounts of debt for little to no return, they can't see past the fact that their internship will not lead to full-time employment ("ZOMG, I come from a T4 and have an internship - pull yourselves up by your bootstraps - something must be wrong with you if you can't get a job from a T1!!!").  Never mind the fact that those from T1 and T2 schools all had summer clerkships and internships as well, but nevertheless failed to secure full-time employment afterward.  They have absolutely no idea how bad the market is for first-year associates.  They will find out soon enough, however.

The only credited response to this thread is Cooley....  Cooley on full ride.

Thanks for replying. I didn't know that.

No problemo.  If you're looking for help, you might want to contact the New York or Oneida Bar Associations to see if they will arrange pro bono counsel.

I need some smart and through law students to help me with my nephews case. He just lost his appeal and application for leave. The attorney who prepared it was friends with the prosecutor. If you see the facts in my nephews case. You will see he was railroaded. 3 trials in less than a year.  I do not have much. However I am willing to pay for your time and services if reasonable. You must know what you are doing. His life is on the line. You can check out the web site I prepared for him. His briefs and facts of the case are on there as well. Due to lack of funds. I had to learn how to build a web site. You must be hungry for justice.

No law student can do this without the supervision of an attorney.  To do so would constitute the unauthorized practice of law.

Horrible.  /thread

why wouldnt I be serious. If the smarties all leave, then the dumbies look smart of the curve. Its like shopping at lane bryant, suddenly you're attractive!  ;D

I realize that you were probably exaggerating a bit, however, #1 at Appalachian is in no way equivalent to #10 at Harvard. 

The realistic breakdown is probably #1 at Appalachian = Top 30-40% at Harvard

Let those smarties transfer, then you will become #1 in your class. Better to be #1 at Alpalachian over #10 at Harvard.

You serious?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Florida Coastal School of Law
« on: June 05, 2010, 05:59:43 AM »
who are you guys that think they walk on water or that T4's have never had anyone make it. You really baffle, because you have no idea wtf you are talking about.  Do the people that write this stuff even go to law school.

I had to lol at this.  Let's recap the comments in this thread before proceeding any further:

booya - Trashing Florida Coastal.  An inference can be made that he actually went to the school, and therefore, has first-hand knowledge of the school.

HR6352 - Claims that "Florida Coastal has not ONE, but TEN guys IN THE SAME CLASS who went to Goldman Sachs as investment bankers!!!!"

Nealric / iahurricane - Call HR6352 out on his insanely idiotic post.

You - Interject that "who are you guys [presumably Nealric / iahurricane / booya] that think... that T4's have never had anyone make it"

The problem with your statement is that this HR6352's flaming has nothing to do with thinking that T4's have never made it in life.  The simple fact is, the statement made by GR6352 is absolutely untrue.  Do you have any idea how hard it is to get an i-banking position with GS?!

Current Law Students / Re: International Practice
« on: June 05, 2010, 05:39:45 AM »
decent point, but if you plan to go international, then what do you care if anyone did figure out that you had an opinion on your school? How would that have any impact?

Not too many clerks at my school.

It's more of a hope, not a plan, to go international.  If it can't be done, or if I need to stay in the US a few years before going, I'll be here in the meantime.

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