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Thank you for the information. After talking to the court and checking this stuff out, I think I'll jes swaer in remotely and save the 600 bucks.

No problem.  I went to the first because of family.  Skipped out on the second, though, and swore-in in another state.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cooley vs Capital
« on: May 07, 2012, 12:06:22 AM »
Cooley sucks yes, but you're not showing that.

What an odd post.

And no, some people do not believe that Cooley sucks.  Apparently people still find value in it and are willing to take the risks for god knows what reason.  This thread is proof of that.

The fact that OP is even considering either of these schools as viable options tells me either that (1) s/he doesn't know how bad it really is out there for recent law grads (especially from those two schools); or (1) knows how bad it is, but is batsh1t crazy enough to go.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cooley vs Capital
« on: May 06, 2012, 04:32:06 PM »
Big law firms and comparisons with Stanford (or why not Yale or Harvard)? You think that is fair?  Most schools would fail these comparison.

USC looks pretty bad compared to Stanford too.  Does USC suck too?  How about BC or Rutgers? They suck too?  They must- Stanford is better.

Did more comparisons while you were posting and Cooley still looks like sh1t compared to T2 schools.  Fair enough?  ;o)

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cooley vs Capital
« on: May 06, 2012, 03:57:11 PM »
John, buddy please stop putting me in a position where its necessary to defend Cooley. A comparison with Stanford- are you  f. in kidding me?

I'm not saying Cooley is great.  I'm not saying anyone should ever go there.  I am saying you are not being fair.  Skewing info to cater to a point is just annoying- and unnecessary we all know Cooley sucks.

That comparison was ripped right off of another site.  At any rate, I believe it provides an apt comparison, as prospective students may not know how these stats usually pan out at a top school.

Here are some additional comparisons I ran with a couple Tier 2 schools:
(based on http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/ stats)


Graduating class of 2010:

Percentage of graduates who obtained jobs with law firms of more than 25 attorneys:

Cooley: 1.1%
LSU: 11.29%
U of Houston: 21.1%

Percentage who obtained federal clerkships:

Cooley: 0.0%
LSU: 1.17%
U of Houston: 2.5%

Percentage who were unemployed nine months after graduation, or whose employment status was unknown:

Cooley:  34.4%
LSU: 6.8%
U of Houston: 6.3%

Percentage who were employed and reported a salary:

Cooley: 6.5%
LSU: 50.8%
U of Houston: 63.4%

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cooley vs Capital
« on: May 05, 2012, 04:23:26 PM »
Here's a nice little comparison done by the law school scam blog:

(source http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2012/05/using-legal-process-to-silence-critics.html )


Graduating class of 2010:

Percentage of graduates who obtained jobs with law firms of more than 25 attorneys:

Cooley: 1.1%
Stanford: 51.1%

Percentage who obtained federal clerkships:

Cooley: 0.0%
Stanford:  29.3%

Percentage who were unemployed nine months after graduation, or whose employment status was unknown:

Cooley:  34.4%
Stanford:  0.6%

Percentage who were employed and reported a salary:

Cooley: 6.5%
Stanford:  88.5%


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cooley vs Capital
« on: May 05, 2012, 12:15:17 AM »
I agree with the gist, but not the specifics. Do any of those firms hire anyone from out of the top 14? 

Cooley often gets singled out because they are a T4, making it seem its just them that suck, when in fact many schools have hiring issues with the big law firms.  There are countless schools that could be substituted for "Cooley" in this analysis.

I going to Cooley a good idea?  Probably not for most.  FL has several tank schools, not just Cooley.  Ever talked to a FL Coastal grad?

I looked at the first firm in the Nalp list - Akerman Senterfittt.  Just a few that I saw where a guy from Florida Coastal in their Jacksonville office, a girl from Stetson in their Tampa office, and most University of Florida Levin grads.

My point is that they're both pretty bad schools, where you'll probably have a 70% chance of either being unemployed or living paycheck to paycheck after graduation.  Retake the LSAT and get into a better school.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cooley vs Capital
« on: May 04, 2012, 12:12:26 PM »
I'm personally not a big fan of Cooley, but what some fool at some unnamed firm says....come on.

Three representatives from large Tampa firms have never hired, nor intend on hiring, a single Cooley grad.  There are 14 Nalp firms in Tampa.  I don't have time to search them all, but the first 5 have never hired a Cooley grad.  Apparently, their reputation isn't that great in Tampa.  I suspect the same holds true for many of the other states that have Cooley campuses.  In law, reputation is often everything.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cooley vs Capital
« on: May 04, 2012, 06:40:15 AM »
Cooley

"Representatives at three large Tampa area law firms, requesting to speak without attribution, said they have no Cooley graduates and consider it a school that admits just about any applicant."

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/print-edition/2011/10/07/cooley-fights-defamation-as-it.html?page=3

Capital

"The school has been in operation since 1903 - as the Columbus Law School. According to this Avvo rating/profile, Capital Law School has 5,709 total alumni. Of this figure, 1,131 members are inactive. ALSO, AMONG THESE 5,709 GRADUATES, ONLY THREE ARE JUDGES!!! And 153 have apparently received disciplinary sanctions."

"USN&WR lists the average student indebtedness for Class of 2009 Crapital Law grads who incurred law school debt at $98,531."

http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2011/01/ring-in-new-year-with-fourth-tier.html


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Happens all the time.

http://www.state.il.us/court/SupremeCourt/Ceremonies/default.asp

"Any candidate certified after Wednesday, May 2, 2012, will not be eligible to participate in the ceremony on May 10, 2012. However, the Clerk’s Office will send a letter notifying a candidate of the licensing process after May 10, 2012, as a candidate becomes certified. Do not contact the Clerk’s Office until you receive the notification."

Obviously they're not going to make you wait for the next swearing-in ceremony to become an attorney.  Most states have provisions allowing for out-of-state swearing in.

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I am open to questions if you have any.

School?
Company you'll be working for?
Prior work experience?
Will most of your classmates be working in positions that require bar admission after graduation?
What is your school's median salary? (and how many % reporting?)
Are you results typical or atypical of other graduates from your school?

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