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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: St. Mary's School of Law (Unlocked)
« on: January 27, 2010, 10:24:49 PM »
John4040,

Actually, no, I don't think most T3 or T4 schools have what St. Mary's has to offer.  Show me the "many" schools at which students are taught by Supreme Court Justices.

Secondly, most people aren't left with the option or privilege of attending a great T1 or T2 state school.  That's exactly why I came to St. Mary's.

Finally, the debt is worth it.  Why?  Because I say so.  I'm taking on that debt, as are plenty of other people in order to enjoy what St. Mary's has to offer.  And on another note, I came here because I want to practice law, not because I decided that I wanted to be miserable for three years in order to have a better income.  The debt is worth it to me so that I can practice law.

I'm sorry that you don't know or appreciate St. Mary's.  I'm sorry that you had a bad experience at your school.  But some of us are proud of what we're involved with, so don't try to bring us down with you.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: St. Mary's School of Law (Unlocked)
« on: January 27, 2010, 01:05:33 AM »
Look, I know my tone was over the top at times, but my facts were accurate.  My OP was intended to give a student's perspective of St. Mary's.  We don't have a marketing department like many schools, so I've decided that it's up to students to speak up about their experience.

John4040, I apologize for reading you as a pre-law student.  Nevertheless, I often do see a school getting flamed by young posters who have no actual knowledge.  I thought I'd just contribute my part.

My overall point still stands.  St. Mary's was very well respected in the past, and I am thankful to be a part of the gradual, continuing process of rebuilding its reputation.  It's exciting to see the direction everything is going.  I particularly emphasize that we've had Supreme Court Justices teach summer classes to St. Mary's students abroad for the last five years at our Innsbruck Institute.  Additionally, I think everyone is thrilled that we now have a China program, at which students will learn how to help businesses navigate the Chinese legal system.

St. Mary's definitely has its issues.  And yes, if you don't perform well, you'll have difficulty getting a good job.  But at the end of the day, I'm glad that I found myself here, and I'm excited that the class below me is even more impressive than my own.

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St. Marys / Re: About St. Mary's: Read This
« on: January 21, 2010, 06:44:30 PM »
Three items:

Haiti

You might have heard about the two St. Mary's law students who went to Haiti on a rescue mission.  Here's the CNN interview, and another video for good measure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkEyhnO9jJM&feature=youtube_gdata

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsqrJ3fb3TQ

Student

Yes, John4040, I'm a student at St. Mary's.  I even said that (did you read the post?).  And you figured me out.  I was planning to write one post on an internet message board in a clever attempt to boost St. Mary's to first tier.

Jobs

It's difficult to get jobs everywhere.  I flat-out disagree, however, with the characterization that only the top ten students get jobs.  People in the bottom of the class are getting jobs - jobs they enjoy.  How?  They network.  I'm sorry that your friend can't get a job, but it reflects more on your friend, and less on the school.

This leads back to a great point brought up by the other St. Mary's student: the San Antonio legal community is small and tight-knit.  If you make the effort, there's a great job or opportunity waiting for you.

Rene_Descartes brings up good points, and I largely agree.  Law is elitist, and schools need to make that clear.  However, the definition of "great" job needs to change.  If you're talking about the four or five mega firms in Texas, then of course it's more difficult to land a job with less-than-stellar grades.  But I have friends that have done it.  Granted, a lot of that is owed to the accessibility of the legal community in San Antonio, but its not impossible.

Additionally, great jobs can also be government jobs (agencies, prosecutorial, etc.), jobs with small firms (more hands-on experience, better hours), etc.  I agree that students need to really assess what kinds of jobs they're looking for before choosing a school.  Nevertheless, landing jobs at great firms with average grades can happen, though it's the exception.  This is true in most non-elite schools.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / St. Mary's School of Law (Unlocked)
« on: January 21, 2010, 06:37:24 PM »
Our previous thread on St. Mary's School of Law was locked because I'm a "shill."  I was accused of being a student at St. Mary's Law.  Well, yes I am, and I said that in my post.  I think students considering St. Mary's should have the ability to hear from someone who actually attends the school, as opposed to an anonymous poster who has yet to even apply to law school.

Nevertheless, you might have heard about the two St. Mary's law students who went to Haiti on a rescue mission.  Here's the CNN interview, and another video for good measure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkEyhnO9jJM&feature=youtube_gdata

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsqrJ3fb3TQ

I encourage any interested students to send me a message, or to come and visit the school.  I don't mind if you ignore everything I have to say.  Just get your facts from someone who has actual knowledge.

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St. Marys / Re: About St. Mary's: Read This
« on: January 16, 2010, 11:52:45 PM »
That's not true.  Most of the progress (during my time here) has been after Dean Cantu came back to fix things up.

By the way, how would you know?  You're just now applying to law schools, so you apparently are just copying someone else's opinion.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: St Mary's School of Law
« on: January 16, 2010, 11:44:25 PM »
I beg to differ.  My "average" friends are landing great internships, opportunities, and jobs.  I think your opinion about St. Mary's is outdated and second-hand at best.  Things have been changing at a quick clip.  I just landed two killer internships this summer, so I'm living proof of our progress.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: texas law schools
« on: January 15, 2010, 01:44:19 AM »
I just posted this in another thread, but I'm going to repeat it here:

I attend St. Mary's University School of Law, so let me fill you in on what I think.

St. Mary's has been in a rough patch for about 15 years.  However, the school has seen a lot of it's problems disappear the last few years.  The school has a great bit of momentum, and here's why:

Jobs

We're seeing some incredible job opportunities being offered to St. Mary's students.  Two people on the Law Journal will be clerking at the Texas Supreme Court next year.  The Editor in Chief got a job with Cox Smith, which is the largest firm in San Antonio.  A 2L was just accepted into the summer program at Fulbright.  Another 3L will be a briefing attorney at the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals next year.  All in all, people are landing killer jobs.

Opportunities

You can judge a lot of law schools by four criteria: Journals, Advocacy Programs, Internship Opportunities, and Professors.  I'll discuss each of these in turn below.

Let me also add, though, that we have the only Terrorism Law Center in the country.  Professor Addicott, the center's director, is constantly on news programs discussing issues related to terrorism (http://www.stmarytx.edu/ctl/).

Additionally, there are two amazing study abroad programs.  At the Innsbruck Institute on World Legal Problems, you will study under a U.S. Supreme Court justice in Austria.  No kidding.  St. Mary's also just added the Institute on Chinese Law and Business.  The China program will help students prepare to represent clients who are doing business in China.

See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=innsBruckProgram and http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=instituteChineseLawBusiness .

I should also mention that St. Mary's was selected to webcast the oral arguments heard before the Texas Supreme Court.  You can check them out on our website.

Journals

It's overlooked, but St. Mary's has consistently had one of the top 15 most cited law journals in the country.  That means it ranks among the very best and most influential journals.  The students that work on the Journal are sharp, and among the brightest you could hope to hire.  The Journal is also partially supported by prestigious and supportive alumni.

Additionally, St. Mary's has another law review specifically for minority issues called The Scholar.  The Scholar is the 8th most cited out of 44 minority issues journals.  The Scholar continues to gain prominence and, like the Journal, has an excellent editorial staff.

Advocacy Programs

The advocacy programs (Mock Trial, Moot Court, Negotiations, Arbitration) are top-notch and consistently best some of the top teams in the country.  We're a practitioner's school, and our advocacy programs reflect that commitment.  See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=advocacyPrograms#externalAdvocacy to see the winning record of our advocacy teams.

We also host the annual Lone Star Classic.  It's a mock trial tournament with teams from all around the country.  Students, even those who aren't involved in the advocacy program, join in to help put on the whole thing.

And if you haven't seen our new mock court room, it's a must-visit.  The technology is astounding.  The advocacy teams practice in it, and courts Texas Fourth Court of Appeals and the Federal Fifth Circuit often hold their oral arguments in the court room so that students can watch.

Internship Opportunities

Plenty of people work at the DA's office (with pay), etc.  But the real gems of St. Mary's are the judicial internships.  St. Mary's students are selected each semester to work at several courts, including the Federal Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals.  These opportunities are priceless.  You will not have as good of an opportunity to work for the Fifth Circuit as you do at St. Mary's.

Professors

I cannot express how grateful I am to have had the professors I've had at St. Mary's.  They are incredibly gifted, unique people with immensely impressive backgrounds.  They also have unique, memorable personalities.  John Teeter, a torts professor, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law.  I will never forget my first-year torts experience with him.  Aloysius Leopold is the Texas Property man.  The man practically wrote the Texas Property Code.  Vincent Johnson graduated from Yale Law, and teaches torts, professional responsibility, and other classes.  He's a true "scholar" in every sense of the word.  I could go on and on.  Flint, Kauffman, Liu, Rice, and many more.  Professor David Schlueter was a JAG officer.  You will truly learn evidence from this man.  He's also incredibly well-connected and is well-regarded by the legal community.

All in all, St. Mary's has some incredible momentum behind it.  With top Journals, extremely well-regarded professors, the best judicial internships in the state, the ability to study under a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, and top advocacy programs, you cannot go wrong.

Oh, and did I mention how great the law school community is?  We're a tight-knit bunch.  You should come give us a visit.  Good luck making your decisions.

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St. Marys / About St. Mary's: Read This
« on: January 15, 2010, 01:14:12 AM »
I attend St. Mary's University School of Law, so let me fill you in on what I think.

St. Mary's has been in a rough patch for about 15 years.  However, the school has seen a lot of it's problems disappear the last few years.  The school has a great bit of momentum, and here's why:

Jobs

We're seeing some incredible job opportunities being offered to St. Mary's students.  Two people on the Law Journal will be clerking at the Texas Supreme Court next year.  The Editor in Chief got a job with Cox Smith, which is the largest firm in San Antonio.  A 2L was just accepted into the summer program at Fulbright.  Another 3L will be a briefing attorney at the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals next year.  All in all, people are landing killer jobs.

Opportunities

You can judge a lot of law schools by four criteria: Journals, Advocacy Programs, Internship Opportunities, and Professors.  I'll discuss each of these in turn below.

Let me also add, though, that we have the only Terrorism Law Center in the country.  Professor Addicott, the center's director, is constantly on news programs discussing issues related to terrorism (http://www.stmarytx.edu/ctl/).

Additionally, there are two amazing study abroad programs.  At the Innsbruck Institute on World Legal Problems, you will study under a U.S. Supreme Court justice in Austria.  No kidding.  St. Mary's also just added the Institute on Chinese Law and Business.  The China program will help students prepare to represent clients who are doing business in China.

See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=innsBruckProgram and http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=instituteChineseLawBusiness .

I should also mention that St. Mary's was selected to webcast the oral arguments heard before the Texas Supreme Court.  You can check them out on our website.

Journals

It's overlooked, but St. Mary's has consistently had one of the top 15 most cited law journals in the country.  That means it ranks among the very best and most influential journals.  The students that work on the Journal are sharp, and among the brightest you could hope to hire.  The Journal is also partially supported by prestigious and supportive alumni.

Additionally, St. Mary's has another law review specifically for minority issues called The Scholar.  The Scholar is the 8th most cited out of 44 minority issues journals.  The Scholar continues to gain prominence and, like the Journal, has an excellent editorial staff.

Advocacy Programs

The advocacy programs (Mock Trial, Moot Court, Negotiations, Arbitration) are top-notch and consistently best some of the top teams in the country.  We're a practitioner's school, and our advocacy programs reflect that commitment.  See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=advocacyPrograms#externalAdvocacy to see the winning record of our advocacy teams.

We also host the annual Lone Star Classic.  It's a mock trial tournament with teams from all around the country.  Students, even those who aren't involved in the advocacy program, join in to help put on the whole thing.

And if you haven't seen our new mock court room, it's a must-visit.  The technology is astounding.  The advocacy teams practice in it, and courts Texas Fourth Court of Appeals and the Federal Fifth Circuit often hold their oral arguments in the court room so that students can watch.

Internship Opportunities

Plenty of people work at the DA's office (with pay), etc.  But the real gems of St. Mary's are the judicial internships.  St. Mary's students are selected each semester to work at several courts, including the Federal Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals.  These opportunities are priceless.  You will not have as good of an opportunity to work for the Fifth Circuit as you do at St. Mary's.

Professors

I cannot express how grateful I am to have had the professors I've had at St. Mary's.  They are incredibly gifted, unique people with immensely impressive backgrounds.  They also have unique, memorable personalities.  John Teeter, a torts professor, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law.  I will never forget my first-year torts experience with him.  Aloysius Leopold is the Texas Property man.  The man practically wrote the Texas Property Code.  Vincent Johnson graduated from Yale Law, and teaches torts, professional responsibility, and other classes.  He's a true "scholar" in every sense of the word.  I could go on and on.  Flint, Kauffman, Liu, Rice, and many more.  Professor David Schlueter was a JAG officer.  You will truly learn evidence from this man.  He's also incredibly well-connected and is well-regarded by the legal community.

All in all, St. Mary's has some incredible momentum behind it.  With top Journals, extremely well-regarded professors, the best judicial internships in the state, the ability to study under a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, and top advocacy programs, you cannot go wrong.

Oh, and did I mention how great the law school community is?  We're a tight-knit bunch.  You should come give us a visit.  Good luck making your decisions.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: St Mary's School of Law
« on: January 15, 2010, 01:08:37 AM »
I attend St. Mary's University School of Law, so let me fill you in on what I think.

St. Mary's has been in a rough patch for about 15 years.  However, the school has seen a lot of it's problems disappear the last few years.  The school has a great bit of momentum, and here's why:

Jobs

We're seeing some incredible job opportunities being offered to St. Mary's students.  Two people on the Law Journal will be clerking at the Texas Supreme Court next year.  The Editor in Chief got a job with Cox Smith, which is the largest firm in San Antonio.  A 2L was just accepted into the summer program at Fulbright.  Another 3L will be a briefing attorney at the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals next year.  All in all, people are landing killer jobs.

Opportunities

You can judge a lot of law schools by four criteria: Journals, Advocacy Programs, Internship Opportunities, and Professors.  I'll discuss each of these in turn below.

Let me also add, though, that we have the only Terrorism Law Center in the country.  Professor Addicott, the center's director, is constantly on news programs discussing issues related to terrorism (http://www.stmarytx.edu/ctl/).

Additionally, there are two amazing study abroad programs.  At the Innsbruck Institute on World Legal Problems, you will study under a U.S. Supreme Court justice in Austria.  No kidding.  St. Mary's also just added the Institute on Chinese Law and Business.  The China program will help students prepare to represent clients who are doing business in China.

See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=innsBruckProgram and http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=instituteChineseLawBusiness .

I should also mention that St. Mary's was selected to webcast the oral arguments heard before the Texas Supreme Court.  You can check them out on our website.

Journals

It's overlooked, but St. Mary's has consistently had one of the top 15 most cited law journals in the country.  That means it ranks among the very best and most influential journals.  The students that work on the Journal are sharp, and among the brightest you could hope to hire.  The Journal is also partially supported by prestigious and supportive alumni.

Additionally, St. Mary's has another law review specifically for minority issues called The Scholar.  The Scholar is the 8th most cited out of 44 minority issues journals.  The Scholar continues to gain prominence and, like the Journal, has an excellent editorial staff.

Advocacy Programs

The advocacy programs (Mock Trial, Moot Court, Negotiations, Arbitration) are top-notch and consistently best some of the top teams in the country.  We're a practitioner's school, and our advocacy programs reflect that commitment.  See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=advocacyPrograms#externalAdvocacy to see the winning record of our advocacy teams.

We also host the annual Lone Star Classic.  It's a mock trial tournament with teams from all around the country.  Students, even those who aren't involved in the advocacy program, join in to help put on the whole thing.

And if you haven't seen our new mock court room, it's a must-visit.  The technology is astounding.  The advocacy teams practice in it, and courts Texas Fourth Court of Appeals and the Federal Fifth Circuit often hold their oral arguments in the court room so that students can watch.

Internship Opportunities

Plenty of people work at the DA's office (with pay), etc.  But the real gems of St. Mary's are the judicial internships.  St. Mary's students are selected each semester to work at several courts, including the Federal Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals.  These opportunities are priceless.  You will not have as good of an opportunity to work for the Fifth Circuit as you do at St. Mary's.

Professors

I cannot express how grateful I am to have had the professors I've had at St. Mary's.  They are incredibly gifted, unique people with immensely impressive backgrounds.  They also have unique, memorable personalities.  John Teeter, a torts professor, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law.  I will never forget my first-year torts experience with him.  Aloysius Leopold is the Texas Property man.  The man practically wrote the Texas Property Code.  Vincent Johnson graduated from Yale Law, and teaches torts, professional responsibility, and other classes.  He's a true "scholar" in every sense of the word.  I could go on and on.  Flint, Kauffman, Liu, Rice, and many more.  Professor David Schlueter was a JAG officer.  You will truly learn evidence from this man.  He's also incredibly well-connected and is well-regarded by the legal community.

All in all, St. Mary's has some incredible momentum behind it.  With top Journals, extremely well-regarded professors, the best judicial internships in the state, the ability to study under a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, and top advocacy programs, you cannot go wrong.

Oh, and did I mention how great the law school community is?  We're a tight-knit bunch.  You should come give us a visit.  Good luck making your decisions.

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