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More importantly for bigs specifically, one should try to avoid saying that Cooley (or most schools) and Harvard are the same in any respect.  Even if it's true, people will be skeptical about it, which in turn will weaken your credibility.

Just say "schools in general" or something like that.  It works better.  Trust me.

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No if Harvard runs out of money obviously they won't, but if they did getting money would be their number one concern. Money is every schools top concern, because if they don't have it then nothing matters.  If they can't pay their professors, dean, library, internet bill, so on then their reputation is going to sink pretty rapidly.

Just like any law firm or business in general they care about their reputation, but if they run out of money they will lay off people left and right throwing their reputation out the window.

I mean, this is like saying that my number one concern is breathing.  Believe me, it's not.

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I am pretty sure all schools encourage you to stay at their school and want people to enroll. Again, Cooley is a business and they want to meet their budgetary profit concerns. It is basically a recruiting tool and they need to meet their bottom line it sucks they are raising tuition, but it happens at every single school in America.  I don't think it is a big deal at all, but that is my opinion. If  people need to go out and knock Cooley law school down to feel better about themselves go for it I guess.

I'm just encouraging you not to say more than you mean.  :)

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The reality is all law schools from Harvard to Cooley are concerned about money first and foremost. 

I'm pretty sure Harvard's first concern is not money, but reputation.

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Acceptances / Re: Michigan or Northwestern?
« on: July 16, 2010, 07:05:12 PM »
You should ask yourself what you would like to do after school, and where.  While Michigan is ranked higher, NW is a very good school as well, and has excellent name recognition in the Midwest.  In Chicago in particular, I don't believe Michigan would give you any particular advantage over Northwestern.  Also, if you plan on staying in Chicago, Northwestern will put you in a good position to work relationships during the school year.

On the other hand, if you plan on heading to the coasts, or to academia, then Michigan would probably make a difference - it has been my experience that Northwestern is very regional, and academic hires are very rank-conscious.

I assume you mean very regional relative to Michigan.

Is there a cost difference?  (I know, I sound like a broken record.)

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Transferring / Re: T4, law journal, accepted at T2 (Camden)
« on: July 16, 2010, 07:03:12 PM »
I think you're being a little harsh.  She didn't say we were being pessimistic in general, just that we are more pessimistic than another board, which I'm guessing is TLS.  My general sense is that TLS is full of cheerleaders, so that's probably an accurate statement.

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How much money will you owe at graduation at the various options?

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Transferring / Re: T4, law journal, accepted at T2 (Camden)
« on: July 15, 2010, 07:39:47 PM »
Why Big Law? I can settle for a decent mid-size firm or a boutique.  I would have 170-175K debt if I graduate from Camden, and 140-145K debt if I graduate from my current school (I have loans from my previous education).  After Camden, my payments will be close to 1000$, after my current school, about 750$. With extended payment plan, I would need to make min of 70K after Camden or min of 60K after my current school. I am not sure if there is such a huge difference in terms of costs at this point. If I get an interesting position in the government, which is a possibility due to my background, I can choose to deffer my payments or get my debt eliminated after 10 years of service. Any thoughts?

It troubles me that you think that you would be "settling" for a decent mid-sized firm or a boutique.

Also, $140k is already a large amount of debt.

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Transferring / Re: T4, law journal, accepted at T2 (Camden)
« on: July 15, 2010, 08:23:48 AM »
Nice to see objective facts used. I really think one guy gave a perfect analogy of big law saying it is like trying to get drafted into the NBA it can happen, but the odds are pretty miniscule.  I am sure even Harvard Grads have a hard time getting into it. So you might as well stay at a tier 4 and get scholarship money so you can have as little debt as possible that is my opinion at least.

Actually, big law is pretty easy to get for most students from top five schools.  Not that that's relevant here, but I thought I should point it out.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Is Cooley Law School That Bad?
« on: July 14, 2010, 10:16:39 PM »
Debt, schmebt!

How profoundly irresponsible.

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