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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Class Statistics?
« on: August 22, 2010, 02:54:45 AM »
No worries.  The curve is pretty silly in my opinion as well.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Class Statistics?
« on: August 22, 2010, 02:43:12 AM »
@babylawyer: your original...

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a very smart person will do worse when the material is easy than when it is hard.  If the material is hard, the very smart person will understand more of it than her average classmates, and so will be at an advantage.

The curve isn't what I am addressing but rather your assessment of a smart individual doing poorly on easier material. I am arguing the logic of your premise which was that sentence. Your curves are to back it up but like I said before, they lack credible sources to make your aforementioned statement (i.e. smart doing poorly on easier material) valid.

Well then you completely missed the point.  I didn't say "a very smart person will do worse when the material is easy than when it is hard"; I said "On a forced curve, a very smart person will do worse when the material is easy than when it is hard."  The curve in combination with the easy material makes law school difficult by introducing a greater element of random chance than there would be if the material were hard or if there were no curve.

Also, that wasn't a premise.  The premises was actually that on an easy test, there is less of an opportunity for a smart person to show her superiority than there is on a hard test.  Do you disagree with that?

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Class Statistics?
« on: August 22, 2010, 02:25:02 AM »
I don't need any world views or unfounded statements to know how I will perform compared to your inaccurate data, Babylawyer. Show me the studies/statistics of smarter students doing more poorly on easier subjects than harder subjects...  If you give me your own perception based off what you have seen that is simply a compositional error in logic.

What do you think is the error in my logic?  If you're well ahead of everyone else in terms of sheer brainpower, you would want a test on a forced curve to be as hard as possible, since that would provide you with more opportunities to show off your brainpower.  Easier test means less opportunity to show off brainpower and higher probability of being mistaken for an average intellect.  Seems to make perfect sense.  What do you think I'm getting wrong?

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Basicly not at all what I said, I said IF you make a lot then you don't have to worry about the debt since you'll have the money, but IF you end up making pennies then the income based payments and the 20 year forgivness step in and make it ok for you and if you suck bad with a JD you'd suck worse without it.

Thats why the "debt" is "no big deal" the "value" you get is a better job that allows you to pay it off, and if not then the debt hardly even applies, and to the near nill amount that it does, still gets you better off than a BA would. Even if you only a few grand more a year, thats what your income based payments would be(so financially worse case scenario you break even) but at least are more likely to be eligable to the more respected positions and respect of others along the way.

"but I was scared, so I work at a hotdog stand......" is less impressive with the ladies than "Yeah I got stuck as general manager at Kmart for awhile, but I have a JD".........who's sausage would you rather swallow? There you go.

Damn you must have failed economics.

If you make more, you pay more. No duh, but then you can afford it.

As for the poverty issue, if you are that pathetic to live in poverty with a JD, you'd be at least that bad off without it huh? Yeah, you would .

A lot of noise in this post, but not much substance.  Basically, you assume that it's easy to make money.

I don't understand why anyone would think that carrying an enormous amount of debt is no big deal, especially when it's not backed by anything that can be exchanged for value.

Say you end up making the same amount of money you did without the JD, but now you need to pay a percentage for the next 20 years to pay off your debt.  Was law school still the right answer in that situation?

Your expected response: "That never happens because everybody knows that you make more money with a JD."  ::)

And if you think "...but I have a JD" is going to impress anybody, you may have bigger problems than I can help you with.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Class Statistics?
« on: August 22, 2010, 01:30:42 AM »
I am wondering why people believe law school is hard? I read some of the editions of books students read in law school and was thinking, "this is rather easy to not only grasp but remember as well." People are just making law school seem hard when it is actually like an undergrad history course. Grasp and retain most of the information and get an easy A. Try completing any mathematics beyond linear Algebra and applied mathematics and then tell me how hard it is to stay at an A average in law school.

On a forced curve, a very smart person will do worse when the material is easy than when it is hard.  If the material is hard, the very smart person will understand more of it than her average classmates, and so will be at an advantage.  If the material is easy, the very smart person will not understand much more of it than her average classmates, and so her advantage is lessened.  On a forced curve, the lessened advantage translates into a lesser likelihood that the very smart person will be the one getting the top grade.

Also, we'll know what you mean if you just say math, and not mathematics.  ;)

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Damn you must have failed economics.

If you make more, you pay more. No duh, but then you can afford it.

As for the poverty issue, if you are that pathetic to live in poverty with a JD, you'd be at least that bad off without it huh? Yeah, you would .

A lot of noise in this post, but not much substance.  Basically, you assume that it's easy to make money.

I don't understand why anyone would think that carrying an enormous amount of debt is no big deal, especially when it's not backed by anything that can be exchanged for value.

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The sleazy part is tying recruiting efforts to tuition increases.  Frankly, I think tuition should be frozen for everybody at the level where it was at matriculation.

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Law School Applications / Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
« on: July 30, 2010, 06:43:51 AM »
That being said, I was planning on peppering basically all the top T-14 schools. 

I think this is the right way to go.  Maybe it's best to leave it at that.

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Law School Applications / Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
« on: July 29, 2010, 05:36:49 AM »
Undergraduate school matters a lot. 

What's your basis for saying this?

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Law School Applications / Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
« on: July 29, 2010, 12:18:46 AM »
I don't think undergrad school matters all that much.

HYS are worth applying to, though I think they're reaches.

CCN are high targets.

I don't think grade trend counts for all that much.  And 3.5 isn't great for law school.  Jamie Stringer's assessment isn't particularly harsh from what I can tell.

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