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« on: April 20, 2010, 11:33:22 PM »
How? Pretty damn easy actually, I asked. They'll hire you while you're still in lawschool and pay you're lawschool for you if you know for a fact it's what you want. You have to pass some simple tests(like the asvab) but I took that back in my enlisted days, and a drunken chimp with down syndrom can get at least a passing score on it.
And the part about the civilian jobs?
« on: April 20, 2010, 11:08:16 PM »
They are easy in those areas. Virtually any physically able person with a JD can be JAG, and if handicap the civilian groups aren't that hard either. People mostly don't take them since they want the 160K jobs not the 40K ones.
And you know this how? I suspect that people would take a $40k government job over no job, so why in the world are there unemployed lawyers?
Most have their own real jobs and volunteer on the side a few hours a week, but some are either at the start of their career(just passed bar looking to beef up resume) or end of their career(just helping out between trips to vacation home and grandkids) It's not that hard to do this type of stuff, its the 100Kplus ones that are hard.
That's fair enough, though I suspect that the ones working volunteer gigs will still be significantly disadvantaged compared to those who haven't had a break in their full-time legal employment. But I'll grant that they have a better chance of getting back in than those who don't do anything related.
« on: April 20, 2010, 10:54:10 PM »
so then stay in a law related field, if you have to go federal join JAG or a govt civilian regulatory agency. Work for the IRS,etc. If you have to find work delivery pizzas or something else completely off the legal radar then still volunteer as a lawyer at free legal clinics and keep the experience(including as much court room as possible) up to date, don't just sit on your thumb and then cry because your sore down there.
You make it sound like these gigs are easy to get. Also if you managed to get a JAG position or civilian regulatory agency position, you wouldn't be one of the people with a gap in their legal resume, now would you?
Working as a volunteer is all fine and good, assuming you can find a volunteer position that will provide meaningful experience. You're assuming these are in plentiful supply.
« on: April 20, 2010, 10:46:43 PM »
The cause said last year a firm hired 6 graduates and this year only one. Who knows maybe the next two years 0 and then in 3 years they may be searching for anybody with a J.D.
Is there any reason to believe this scenario will occur given the current supply of J.D.'s and the rate at which new ones are being produced?
Also, resume gaps make a candidate less desirable. A degree may be for life, but if you've been out of the legal profession for a few years before trying to get back in, chances are that you'll lose out to the person who's been in the whole time, or even to the person who is fresh out of school.
« on: April 19, 2010, 12:22:07 AM »
If there are summer positions available, does that not indicate there are jobs in general.
No, it does not. Tell me, what does the summer position pay?
Both schools im considering would be at 10k / year
I saw your post in the other thread. I can't really help out with that particular decision since I don't know either of those schools or the market particularly well, but I don't think that $10k/year is a particularly unreasonable tuition (assuming you can hold on to your scholarship; you should consider what your total debt will look like if you lose it). If you live frugally, you should be able to get out of school without owing too crazy an amount of money. Doesn't sound like you're on your way to the $200k debt load a lot of people take on.
« on: April 19, 2010, 12:18:03 AM »
I want to be a lawyer, my mother was a lawyer and I've worked as a teacher and I enjoyed my internships in law much more, you can't take the bar without having gone to law school so the Do NOT go to law school trolls are pointless. For those going to law school because they have nothing else to do or a worthless UG degree i understand, but for those who have a strong desire to become a lawyer, there isn't any other way to pursue that goal (unless you want to be a paralegal).
In that case, I would recommend making conservative financial decisions.
« on: April 19, 2010, 12:04:08 AM »
That is just what gets me is people just say these things like it only applies to law school. I am pretty sure every type of school tries to manipulate their stats as best they can.
But it's a law school discussion forum. It would be a strange thing if the focus of the discussion was not on law school, wouldn't it? I haven't heard anyone say anything to the effect of, "law school is more of a scam than anything else."
« on: April 18, 2010, 11:44:51 PM »
Nowhere in the original post does the OP say that law school will ruin your life or that the schools are out to get you. All she said was that the job market is not good even for graduates of top schools and that people should be wary, and that schools are trying to keep their employment statistics up. There's nothing wrong with providing people with a word of caution. If you don't need the message, then just ignore it.
Also, the bar analogy isn't at all applicable because the bartender doesn't have much control over whether or not you get laid at the end of the night. Where you go to law school has some
effect on how well you fare, even if it's not 100% determinative.
I have the inside view from a T14. MOST of my fellow graduating 3Ls do not have job offers. ANY offers. This is not simply a lack of BigLaw jobs but a structural problem in the legal community in general. Don't be fooled into thinking, "Well, I never wanted to be making $160k working at a stifling corporate law firm anyway." The job market is pure crap across the board. There is stunningly high unemployment at these elite schools.
However, the school is rehiring many of us to work at the library or in part-time research assistant positions so that we do not drag down the employment rate.
You are a fool if you think law school is a decent place to "ride out the recession."
Even Harvard Law grads are having problems finding jobs. So if the T14 grads are in danger, then what about the rest of the schools (from first tier to TTT to fourth tier)?
I hope this post is not deleted. It could save people hundreds of thousands of dollars. If you got into a law school and paid a deposit, you must still think about what I am saying and make a wise decision.
« on: April 18, 2010, 11:14:03 PM »
well if you want to practice law, what would you suggest doing?
I would first consider whether it's possible to do what you want to do and make a living off of it.
Also, I would ask myself why I wanted to practice law, and see if what I envisioned matched up with reality.
Law school's a good decision for some. For others, not so much.
« on: April 16, 2010, 08:20:45 AM »
Guy, I've been a "temp worker" in the past...
In the legal industry?
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