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Financial Aid / Re: Grad Plus Loan...
« on: July 11, 2010, 05:56:10 PM »
I was wondering about the grad plus loan too.. what kind of requirements are there for qualifying? I remember lots of people having trouble qualifying for parent plus loans in undergrad.. hopefully its different?

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Is Cooley Law School That Bad?
« on: June 15, 2010, 10:24:01 PM »
To answer your question directly, it depends on what you want.

If you're not adverse to taking on $150,000 in debt for the prospect of no legal job, or a salary of $40,000 or less after graduation, go to Cooley .
If you're looking to impress laypersons, go to Cooley.
If you MUST be a lawyer and are willing to live in poverty for the remainder of your life, go to Cooley.

There you have it.  You'll be $150,000 in debt, living in poverty, but at least you can tell your friends that you're "a real lawyer" (assuming you pass the bar).  You will also be able to masturbate to the fact that you do "intellectually stimulating" will drafting, personal injury work, and felon in possession cases.  Last but not least, you will undoubtedly feel superior to your peers and bask in warmth of the Cooley Rankings.  After all,  it is YOUR LAW SCHOOL, Mr. Cooley Grad, THAT IS RANKED #12 IN THE WORLD (in a ranking system based almost exclusively on the size of the school's library).


150k in debt.. not so much.. most people going to cooley get a scholarship. I'm going part time and Cooley law will only cost about half of that amount for me. I already work with a nonprofit, and plan to continue working in public service but in a legal role.

The cooley rankings.. c'mon everyone knows that is bs. People who go to cooley dont even give that merit (including myself).

And career prospects. Its really not something you can predict. Yeah, people from schools outside the top tier will have to work a lot harder to network and find a job -this is a given. I will take a stab at it though- From my conversations with practicing lawyers, judges,and professors law school pretty much gets you your first job. After that, employment is based off experience and performance rather than where you went to school or academic credentials.

I'm making this my last post arguing for cooley. I'm going there, and if you plan things and budget things appropriately you can make Cooley Law work for you. Its just as good as any other lower tiered school, and it provides a great bit of flexibility especially if you plan to work in the mid west.

If you go to cooley you can be a lawyer despite what the elitist posters here proclaim. Their 10,000 plus alumni will verify this lol. Good luck, and future Cooley trashers well have fun maybe you can be my paralegal one day! ha!

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Is Cooley Law School That Bad?
« on: June 14, 2010, 11:27:35 PM »
I see a lot of people doing cost analysis about going to Cooley Law. For me its about more than just making a large salary. Does anyone actually want to practice law? Advocate a cause? Provide solid legal advice to a client in the community you grew up in? ..These are things non corporate lawyers do. I am going to Cooley Law in  a few months (on scholarship, but really its pretty cheap anyways compared to other private law schools).
I mean really.. put cooley up to other 4th tier schools and its not that bad. I'd say its just as good as any other lower tiered school. And of the private lower tiered ones its probably in the top of the lower tiered ones.
True.. law school is expensive, you will have to work and network to be a successful lawyer, and I'd really advise throwing some passion into your career more than a numbers game. If its about numbers, YES you should get an MBA.

To answer the question.. Is Cooley Law that bad? I don't think so.. I'm going there! Its just as "bad" as any other lower tiered school. Good luck to whoever started the post!

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beyond the rankings is a scam post..

I have grew up in the Tampa Bay area of Florida for most of my life, and Stetson Law is well respected in the community and throughout the state. I have several friends and acquaintances that are students, faculty, and alumni of Stetson Law. I personally choose to go to another law school just to go somewhere different. However, the school is definitely on the move upwards and I believe last year was on the border of being in the 2nd tier. Its an overall solid school and looks like its making some people question the value of U of M. I'd recommend it, and gulfport & st petersburg is full of social, cultural, and career activity for outside of law school. Congrats to your son & I hope you choose Stetson I'm sure you'll be glad to join their legal community.

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Oh Canada! / Re: practicing in Canada ?
« on: May 17, 2010, 01:24:31 AM »
thanks! Any other distinctive differences?

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I think its definitely worth going for it! your low gpa can be balanced with a higher than average lsat. Additionally, you can write an addendum about your experiences to explain your gpa & show your successes that outweigh that. A lot of schools are really numbers places where your experience doesn't count for much.. but if you look for schools that focus on non traditional students that would be the best option.

& Good Luck!

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Oh Canada! / practicing in Canada ?
« on: May 16, 2010, 03:32:35 PM »
Hi! I'm going to be starting as a 1L at Cooley law school at the ann arbor campus, and I am curious about practicing in Canada & what is required for people working on their US JD degree?  Especially, since the school I will be going to is in a border state ( Michigan).

Thanks!

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: cooley in the fall
« on: May 08, 2010, 03:04:09 PM »
To get this back on track..

Who's going to be starting @ Cooley this summer/fall/winter?? 

I will be at ann arbor in january part time.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: cooley in the fall
« on: April 23, 2010, 02:24:21 PM »
I will correct my statement, I AM interested in pursuing public service through law school - As I have through undergrad. Through going to Cooley this will provide the necessary training & I am aware of the pay for such public service positions.  And public service includes government, academic, and public interest figures.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: cooley in the fall
« on: April 23, 2010, 01:59:11 PM »


I applaud your immense ability to pidgin-hold, limit, and restrict yourself as a Cooley graduate before you have even sat for a single class.  Your classification of Cooley graduates as primarily "public service lawyers and small firm community advocates" is incorrect and frankly insulting.

If these are your true mental impressions, then I strongly recommend (as a graduate of Cooley) that you take CJScolia's advice and not attend Cooley, because you will be eaten alive.

There is nothing wrong with someone going to Cooley, as they do with every school, wanting to be a public defender or work in a small firm, but to reduce "99%" of the graduates to that is factually inaccurate and shameful.

Your opportunities are no lessor than any other 3rd or 4th tier school.  In most situations, after you have been in the "real world" for 2-4 years no one even cares where you went to school, unless your firm happens to be fundamentally involved in an alumni association.  The firms just want to know how you will make them money.
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Congrats, you've joined the ranks of the attacking posters on LSN.. good job feel good now?  What I Said was that it is unlikely that a cooley grad would directly out of law school from Cooley with a JD be starting in a law firm making 100k plus. Just merely saying that going to Cooley or most any law school with that expectation would be misguided.  And, feel free to get the employment statistics from LSAC or Cooley career services. For faster reference I'll just quote lsac:

- 80% employed within 9 months
- 50% in firms (with a firm being anywhere from 1 attorney to hundreds in the office)
- 18% in business
- 13% in gov't
- 5.7% in public interest
- 4.2% as judicial clerks
- 3.7% in academia

Its just important to be realistic about the future before taking on the 3-4 years in any law school- even though there is the slim chance that you could land an amazing, high paying position as you suggest.

I do agree that after a few years yes where you went will be decreasingly important, and your experience as an attorney would be more important.

Additionally, if you really went to cooley you might want to be appreciative of the few people that choose not to trash the school.

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