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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 2009 USNWR rankings
« on: March 25, 2008, 07:26:37 PM »
Anyone who has a decent amount of time want to go through the T50 and put how much they went up or down from last year?   I would, but I have oral arguments tomorrow!  Ahh. (believe me I would if I had time, I put together the historical rankings charts for the history of USnews at ...which is now a little outdated)   I am sure everyone would be grateful if someone does it!

edit note: Nuke posted at almost the exact same time as me, so sorry if my comments are a little repetitive

Which school, BC or BU, places better in NYC?

I think they place the same in NYC, in that they both have the same opportunities and are looked at the same.  However, I think BU has more students in NYC by choice.   BU seems to be a bit more of a NYC transplant school while more BC kids tend to stay in Boston.  NYC is a huge destination for BC though (our 2nd biggest location) and I know a ton of people that had good success there.

Also, USNEWS stated last year that only 77% of BC's grads are employed upon graduation, how true is that?

I am not sure what the deal with that low # is, but it is definitely a big reason our rankings took a hit.  I saw the new #s last month, and I think it was around 86% for the last class.   So definitely improved on that front.   One possible explanation is that we have a larger percentage that do Public Interest, which don't give job offers until later in the season.   Of course that doesn't explain all of it, but maybe some.  In any event, the #s 6 and 9 months out are in the high 90s%.

Thanks STUJE1 and NUKELAW! Prof Plater seems amazing! Anyway, I think that I will be going to BC. I applied to the PS scholarship too. Can't wait to go to the ASD!

Congrats!   You won't be disappointed, I promise (I actually just asked a 1L tonight, who I had convinced to come, if she had made the right choice and she gave me an emphatic "definitely!")  I will see you at ASD and let me know if you have any more qs.

Also what is eagleonline?

Eagleionline is an unofficial law school news blog that is run by BC law students.   It is pretty cool to keep up to date on all the happenings at BC.  It was a bit controversial, since it originally allowed for anyone on the internet to anonymously post, but now comments are limited to BC students (though the articles are open to anyone).


I wanted to speak to a faculty member, is there one in particular that would be open to questions from admitted students, or will these kinds of opportunities be available during the ASD?

Nuke did as good a job as I could discussing Enviro law (not my specialty), but I just wanted to add that Prof. Plater would probably be the best person to speak to about the field.   I have no idea how responsive he would be, but he is certainly the most well known prof in the field here and is really into enviro law (he heads the Environmental law journal and moot ct team)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U. of Washington vs. Hastings
« on: March 14, 2008, 03:00:35 PM »
I considered both of those schools when i was deciding where to go.  I really liked U of Washington (it was my 2nd choice...I almost went there).  I never visited Hastings, but it didn't seem to be for me.  I wanted a school that was a part of a larger University and I had heard things about it being competitive (while UW was supposed to be ultra chill). 

As far as job placement, I think Hastings has a bit better national Reputation.   UW does great in the PNW (best school in the region) but doesn't seem to extend much further than that.  Hastings is so large, that students tend to be a bit more dispersed and thus their reputation a bit more widespread.  If you want to work in Nor. Cal., Hastings is definitely the right choice.  Seattle is a cool city though, and I wold keep that in mind.

If you are interested, I wrote up a fairly long review on LSD of UW after my visit there a couple years back:,60050.0.html

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: BC v Wake v Tulane ($$)
« on: March 09, 2008, 01:37:02 PM »

Oh yeah, BC is definitely higher ranked than Tulane and I don't see how that will ever change, short of Russia pitying NOLA when Putin surprise Alas, Babylons the states.  My beef ( ;) ) was more with moo cow bringing another BC favored inaccurate statement into the thread.

I'm not at all trying to say that Tulane is a better school than BC, more arguing that someone who wants to work in the South should consider Tulane at a discount vs BC.  BOTH Tulane and BC place better than their ranking suggest AND BC places better than Tulane generally.

Fair enough..I agree with everything you said.   As I had posted earlier, I seriously considered Tulane with a large scholarship, but ultimately thought BC was the right fit for me.  Good luck to the OP and congrats on making a decision.  I am sure you will really enjoy Tulane!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: BC v Wake v Tulane ($$)
« on: March 09, 2008, 01:05:40 PM »
for what it's worth, tulane is ranked much lower and i think BC carries a more national name.  BC has taken a hit lately but they have historically been in the top 20.  i can say with relative certainty that the top half of the class at BC will get a decent job-- either midlaw or biglaw.  i imagine that big firms just don't go that far into tulane's class.  but again, i don't know much about tulane, so that's a guess.

My historical USNews knowledge might be lacking, but when was BC in the Top 20? 

Edit: Looks like 1990 and 1993 were BCs T20 years.

I posted the dates above.  BC has been ranked in the high 20s for 5-6 years now.

Ok, He may have been a few #s off, but I think you are being a little nit-picky when he says the top 20 and some years we have been 22 or 24...the difference between 20 and 24 is quite negligible (granted, this year we are 28).  Nevertheless, his point that BC is much higher ranked than Tulane remains the same (whether there is any merit or worth to such rankings is another whole discussion for another day).  If you avg BC's rankings from 1996-2007 (I start in 1996 because that is when they started going beyond the top 25...but note that it does not include many good ranking years of BC), then BC Averages a ranking of 24.58 to Tulane's 45.25.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Decide my future! BC - Davis ($$)
« on: March 07, 2008, 02:49:03 PM »
i would classify it as suburban; i agree it's not urban, but having driven across the country to chicago (through utah, wyoming, and nebraska among others), there's no way in heck it's rural. however, since the OP lives in chicago now, he'd definitely be taking a hit on the cultural and social fronts if that's important.

i still think davis is way better for norcal placement. i'm working at a firm in norcal this summer and there are no bc students among the summers, or as far as i can tell, among the attorneys (there might be 1 or 2 since i haven't double checked the website?). davis is extremely well represented; during my callback interview, 2/5 of my interviewers were davis law grads.   

No, you are right.  It is not in the middle of a cornfield or anything...but for a city/town with a college in it, it is quite small (rural). 

Also, I completely agree that Davis is better for NorCal.  There is going to be much, much higher placement of Davis students in NorCal because of its proximity and alumni connections.   Not to say a BC student couldn't get a job there if they did well, but there is no question there will be a much higher percentage of Davis students there and it would be easier getting a job there if you went to Davis.   So if the OP was absolutely set on Norcal, I would recommend Davis.   If NorCal is just a possibility, but want to keep other places open as options, then I would put my vote in for BC  ;)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Decide my future! BC - Davis ($$)
« on: March 07, 2008, 02:27:56 PM »

ok, as a davis undergrad alum, davis is NOT RURAL. yes, we have an agricultural focus so there are cows (which you usually can only smell from certain areas of the undergrad residences...gross), but there are also modern conveniences (grocery stores! bars!) and it is 20 min to sacramento, about 45 to san francisco. also the alumni network, though probably not as big as hastings, is pretty strong in norcal. i really think that to go from bc to a CA biglaw job (and CA markets are relatively competitive, ESPECIALLY northern california) you'd need to be pretty high in the class. so i need to pick a coast, and if it's CA, you are probably better off going to davis.

I visited Davis, and I would have to disagree, and say it is quite rural.   I guess maybe you have a different definition of rural.   I mean, it is not one giant farm, there are stores and restaurants, but from what I saw, the whole town is not more than a few blocks.  It was actually smaller than Iowa City, Iowa.  But as you (Claire) pointed out, it is not far from Sacramento and San Fran.

I liked Davis when I visited.  The people were very friendly (and the girls were extremely attractive) and in some respects, I liked the small town, "college" feel.   However, the facilities were awful (though they have been working on updating them), the town was too small for 3 years of my life and I felt like it had a much more regional reputation than BC.  There is also a very strong public interest/government bent at Davis, which is really good if that is what you are interested in, but not so much if you aren't.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: BC v Wake v Tulane ($$)
« on: March 07, 2008, 11:55:39 AM »
I could just have a terrible internet tone detector.

Haha, possibly

I had looked at NALP before, does that represent every BIGLAW firm?

Pretty much.  I can't say i know for a fact that 100% of BIGLAW, but nearly every BIGLAW firm is a member of NALP.  There are small law firms though that are not a part of NALP.

One other thing though, some schools participate in off-campus job fairs, which law firms don't usually count on their list of schools where they do OCI.  So for example, BC has a Chicago job fair where we go to Chicago and interview with firms there, but those firms aren't listed on NALP as interviewing at BC...only those that come to campus and interview here are listed.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: BC v Wake v Tulane ($$)
« on: March 07, 2008, 11:33:00 AM »
I wasn't trying to be mean with that, just the vibe I got off of some of the BC threads.

Can you discuss the national placement at BC vs Tulane and Wake?

No, I am just surprised, as all the BC threads I have read, people have been extremely positive about the school (as others have noted).

As for national placement, a somewhat good source is to just go to NALP ( do an advanced search by selecting "law firm" and then each of the schools you are interested in, and see how many firms interview at each school, where the firms are from and what the quality of the firms are that are coming (check their Vault ranking).  I think you will see that BC gets much better law firms from more locations. 

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