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Incoming 1Ls / Re: LSAT v. GMAT?
« on: May 02, 2007, 03:20:15 PM »
In college, I took the GMAT without even studying for it and got a 710 (95th percentile overall, 59th percentile math and 99th percentile verbal). I took the LSAT some years later and scored in the 99th percentile after a lot of studying.

My opinion: the GMAT is a lot easier than the LSAT. The math challenged me somewhat (because I did not remember all the formulas, etc.), but it was still just high school level math that should be easy to brush up on. If you ace the verbal section, it can carry your combined score. The verbal section was much easier than the LSAT's sections. We're talking sentence correction and simple reading comprehension. I think I missed one question.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Starting salaries?
« on: May 02, 2007, 12:36:04 PM »
US News' ranking book has a directory in the back with starting salary information provided by the schools.

If you're looking for this information to aid you in choosing a law school, then IMO the best way to approach this is to identify law firms that you would want to work for in the region in which you want to live. Then, assess where you would have to finish in the class at different target schools to get those jobs. You can get a good grip on market salaries for different sized law firms by exploring

Salary information provided by schools can be misleading because of incomplete and biased reporting by students. Look instead at what the employers are reporting.

Law School Admissions / Re: Fall 2006 Stats now up on
« on: May 02, 2007, 09:15:47 AM »
2006 entering class median LSATs:
Yale 173
Harvard 172
Columbia 172
Chicago 171
NYU 171
Penn 170
Stanford 170
NW 170
Virginia 169
Duke 168
GT 168
Michigan 168
Cornell 167
Boalt 166
Cooley 146

Obviously HLS doesn't use an index and last year the WL, acceptances seemed to follow an unpredictable course...

I think it's pretty clear that HLS was looking for high GPA people off the WL last year...unless only high GPA people updated their LSN profiles. (gunners)

So yeah, I think that GPA was probably the best determinant of success in getting off the WL last year. Also something you can glean from LSN - URM status.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Applied on a whim? Now attending?!
« on: May 01, 2007, 02:22:11 PM »
I was originally planning on only applying to Wisc and Marquette, with Minn. thrown in as a safety.  Then I decided to go app crazy and throw my hat in the ring all over the place.  I didn't think I stood a shot at NU, but that's where I'm going this fall :)

Isn't Minnesota harder to get into that Wisconsin and Marquette? It certainly has stronger numbers.

The lowest GPA of any WL--->accept profile on LSN last year was 3.86. Not good for relatively low GPA people...

I hope this year's needs/wants won't be the same as last year's, but I fear they will be.


Look at the name, JuIie Fern.  Additionally, he/she/it doesn't have near the number of posts as the real neanderthal.

Wow, good catch. I thought the post count was low, but I assumed it was because of post deletions. I don't post much in the sections that it does. So we have an imposter troll? And the imposter doesn't exclusively speak caveman. 

The people who think Penn State when you say Penn or UPenn are ignorant hillbillies who you shouldn't be concerned with impressing.

Careful let some good English slip out. You'll blow your cover.

It means put a deposit down somewhere else while you wait for Seattle U to make a final decision.

Law School Admissions / Re: Yale Rejection by Email
« on: April 26, 2007, 07:29:00 AM »
I would be happy to get all decisions by email rather than wait for the USPS to deliver. I know it sucks to get rejected, but knowing things faster, IMHO, is a good thing (for me, at least). I'd appreciate such a bold move.

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