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Screw it, go to SCUPS.

Plus, yeah dude we know you're talking about yourself in the third person. It is so tiresome to have school recruiters pretend to be students on this board. Yeah, I see you..... :-X

Third person, recruiter...? Another Cooley feminine hygiene product.

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They wouldn't allow her to take the Georgia state bar because she went to a terrible law school. Northwestern California University School of Law treats students poorly. The admissions guy named "Nick" told me that we woud rather kill himself instead of going to law school to be a lawyer. Nick then went on to tell me that he is too busy to send me demo of their lectures. This is the only law school that doesn't have online demo's to show prospective students. He was rude. I tried to discuss Nicks negative conduct with the Dean of the school Michael Clancey. Clancey was just as negative and rude as Nick. They defended one another. I think Dean Michael Clancey and Nick of the Northwestern California University School of Law are gay lovers. I never seen two men stick up for each other like that. It was weird.

If she would have graduated from an online law school with a good reputatin, then they probably would have allowed her to take the Georgia bar.


Ridiculous... I go to NWCU and while I rarely deal w/ anyone other than professors, I have dealt w/ both gentlemen you have mentioned. Nick was VERY helpful to me and answered many of the questions I had. The school has gone above and beyond to make sure that if any student needs/wants more help or work they will provide it. They have workshops and mock bar reviews that have proven to be very helpful to me. I just passed the most recent FYLSX (1st attempt).

While I can understand your frustration... Your response is ignorant and immature. Which leads myself (and I am sure others) to assume that NWCU may not be the ones that are "weird"... JMHO.

Further, it is very unlikely that SCOTUS would hear a case like this, and the reputation of NWCU, based on bar passage rates and longevity, is higher than most... if not all other DE schools.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Non-Bar Law Degree
« on: March 21, 2010, 09:26:12 PM »
well put... I go to NWCU and have found it to be an enriching experience. If you ever have any questions let me know.

Good luck.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Non-Bar Law Degree
« on: March 15, 2010, 09:05:44 PM »
Im a 45 year old investment advisor in NYC. Im considering Northwestern online law program in CA.  My reasons are simple, I cannot justify spending over 100K plus what ever income reduction I suffer due to my studies, Which could be as high as another 100-300K on getting a law degree.   Does anyone here know about Northwesterns online program its prices right at only $2850 year, but as many on the board have noted, price in not the only consideration.

My primary purpose in getting a law degree is increase my skills representing clients in New York based securities arbitrations.  As some may be aware you do not need to be a lawyer at all to represent clients in arbitration in New York.  New York has long held that representation by a non lawyer in arbiration is not the unauthorized practice of law.  Unlike Florida,GA, AZ and CT which have deemed non lawyer representaion in arbitration is a violation of their state UPL statues.

Thanks in advance for your comments


Hey I am a registered principal at a firm in FL and am in my 2nd yr at NWCU... I passed the BB on my first go around and would be happy to answer any questions for you. I have testified in several FINRA arbs. and am surprised to hear that one can represent in NY... many sec. lawyers I know here in FL won't touch a NY case due to UPL.

Anyway I am happy w/ what I have learned and scored an A on the FYLSE, which despite what many on this site may think is not the easiest of feats, especially while overseeing an office. 

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Nowhere did I see any indication that she passed the CBX, only the Baby Bar. Maybe she did pass the general, but I doubt it based on what I have read.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: LAW SCHOOL - FLORIDA BAR
« on: November 30, 2009, 04:36:31 PM »
RE: The LSAT won't be too hard? And this is based on...?

If you're trying to get into FAMU, the LSAT won't be too hard.

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RE: And this, "it just seems ridiculous to make it this far in a fight and be denied based on the fact that you didn't answer a basic question the court was asking", how could you have a problem with that?

No, problem here. I was just stating that I thought this lady was ridiculous... Not the ruling or the law.

I agree w/ much of what you have said and would have liked to see this lady furnish the court with what it required, then I could see how they rule on her merits (ie:her schooling). Although one could argue she has indicated her merits in her poor compliance w/ the court.

As a correspondence student myself, I don't believe many online/distance students should be able to take the bar anywhere let alone GA or MA, (2) states I could care less about.

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Unfortunately, it appears if the petitioner would have just listened to the courts and/or read the criteria to become admitted she would have had a very fair chance of being allowed to sit for the bar.

Further, this would have been interesting as nowhere does it say she is actually admitted to practice in CA. In the case of Ross Mandell V MBE(?), he had passed both the FYLSE and the CBX on his first attempt and I remember one of the Justices' actually acknowledging the known difficulty of the CBX.

It just seems ridiculous to make it this far in a fight and be denied based on the fact that you didn't answer a basic question the court was asking.

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As two of the original 13 colonies that rose up against British rule in the United States, Georgia and Massachusetts share common legal roots. But in addressing the current-day question of bar admission for graduates of online law schools, they have come down on opposite sides.

Yesterday, the Supreme Court of Georgia issued a ruling that a 2009 graduate of the online law school Northwestern California University School of Law is not eligible for bar admission in that state. A year ago -- almost to the day -- the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court reached the opposite result, deciding that a graduate of the wholly online Concord Law School would be allowed to take the Massachusetts bar examination.

In both cases, the applicants sought waiver of the requirement that they be graduates of an ABA-accredited law school. In the earlier Massachusetts case, the SJC emphasized that its decision in favor of applicant Ross E. Mitchell was confined to the unique circumstances of his case. Mitchell had already been admitted to practice both in California and before the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, had a stellar academic record and was valedictorian of his class, had scored well on the California bar exam and on the MPRE, and, through his representation of himself in his admission case, had provided a "positive illustration of his skills."

The applicant in the Georgia case, Joyce K. Batterson, bears some parallels to Mitchell in her prior achievements. In addition to graduating from NWCU in July 2009, she completed her master of laws degree that same month from a second online law school, Thomas Jefferson School of Law. While NWCU is unaccredited (except in California), TJSL's LL.M. program is accredited by the ABA. Batterson had passed California's bar exam for first-year law students in 2004 and the MPRE in 2006. She is a nationally certified paralegal who has been employed as a legal assistant and paralegal since 1990.

Ironically, it was neither accreditation nor qualifications that lost Batterson her bid for bar admission in Georgia. It was paperwork. The Supreme Court said it would consider waiving the accreditation requirement "for good cause shown by clear and convincing evidence." That evidence would have to include proof that the non-accredited school provided a legal education on par with that of an accredited school. The Board of Bar Examiners had told Batterson that she could establish that equivalency by providing a letter from the dean or the dean's designee at an ABA-approved law school providing an analysis of her legal education.

She provided a letter from the dean of her non-accredited school and letters from an associate dean at the accredited TJSL program. While the TJSL letters praised Batterson, they "contained only general conclusions" about the quality of her legal education, the Supreme Court said. For this reason, it affirmed the board's denial of her application. "Batterson's petition was denied because she did not provide what the Board expressly required," the court said.

As for Concord grad Ross Mitchell, he went on to pass the bar exam and, in June, to become the first online law school graduate to be admitted to the Massachusetts bar. Perhaps Batterson should consider a career in this other original colony.

Posted by Robert J. Ambrogi on November 24, 2009 at 12:00 PM

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: LAW SCHOOL - FLORIDA BAR
« on: November 28, 2009, 11:03:14 AM »
I don't know where you are located in Florida, but if you were considering online you may want to look at FAMU in Orlando. I am only basing this on cost and don't know anything about the school, but I do know that Barry, and pretty much any other school (including Nova), will cost you quite a bit.

Good luck. The LSAT's won't be too hard.

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