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Non-Traditional Students / Re: 37 and thinking about law school....
« on: September 26, 2010, 09:02:47 AM »
Good.  The legal assistant position will give you better insight.  Hopefully you're working for a small firm and not necessarily doing transactional stuff.
? Why's that?

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omg, I feel your pain on the first test.  I took the LSAT my senior year of college on a whim with no prep and got a mediocre score.  3 1/2 years later, I decided I want to go law school, signed up again, prepped (on my own, using the TestMasters books) and scored 15 points higher.

It is up to you to do better this time around.  You paid for that class; don't feel ashamed to ask questions.  You need to not repeat the mistake you and I both made by going in again unprepared.

Also, as a liberal arts kid married to a doctor, I must admit I feel a bit of schadenfreude when a science person struggles with concepts that come easily to me  ;), but your science background is an asset.  If you go into environmental law or intellectual property law, your understanding of science will be invaluable.  Don't forget that.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LR: speed or skill?
« on: September 22, 2010, 08:24:28 PM »
OP:  Given that your highest score so far is 146 after some practice/study time I don't think your major problem or best solution is to do the questions in a different order.  You are missing far too many for your current score range to be based on the order you do them. 

You need to do something to significantly improve your understanding of what is going on with LR questions, what concepts are involved and being tested, and to change/improve your approach and skills at solving each of the questions/question types, etc.


Timing is NOT your main problem, your underlying skills are.  Speed comes with/improves with better understanding of and skills with the materials.  When you know what is going on with, how to properly approach the various question types, and know/understand what techniques and methods of analysis to apply to each you will be able to solve each of them in less time with better accuracy.

Other than churning through a bunch of practice tests/sections as fast as you can timed, what else have you been doing to improve your LR problem solving skills?
This is good advice.

Additionally, it's really important to get used to reading well.  If you don't already, read in your free time.

Finally, I'm not familiar with the ease of questions theory, but I did find it beneficial to choose which section to save for last.  I chose that section based on topic.  I find passages on the arts, literature, history, economics and law/policy fascinating.  My eyes glaze over, though, when I come across a science passage.  Typically it's easier to read and answer questions about topics you enjoy, so if you have to save one for last or skip one, make it the one with the topic that doesn't interest you.

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Law School Applications / Re: 2010-2011 Application Cycle
« on: September 22, 2010, 07:57:06 PM »
I found this interesting.  A school that shall remain nameless just gave me a fee waiver along with free itunes downloads if I apply
Haha, I got that, too!  Tempting for the iTunes downloads, but I'm restricted by geography, so I won't take advantage.

Plus, after the $12 report fee, that's only a gain of $8 in iTunes.  Clever, though.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 2.9 GPA 179 LSAT
« on: September 21, 2010, 01:49:22 PM »
I think it's worth a shot to apply across the T14. 

I imagine your chances depend greatly on a number of factors surrounding your GPA. 
-Did you study nuclear engineering at MIT or underwater basketweaving at State U?
-Are you a college senior or did you graduate 5+ years ago?
-Did you have to work full time in college?
-Do your grades trend up?
-Are you an Under Represented Minority?
-Are your grades a result of some great adversity you faced and overcame?

If you have a good story, you probably have a decent shot.  However, if you're just a genius who happens to be a lazy bum, you likely won't be an attractive candidate.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: September 20, 2010, 05:25:14 PM »
Maybe, but are you speaking from first hand experience or just basing it on the fact that some judge in Nebraska selected the very good instead of good when Fordham came up. Also how many big law attorneys do you know from Fordham I am sure there are some, but how many are going without. Again, I will use the bay as an example Hastings is a tier 1 I think, but they graduate twice as many students as the other schools. They have more attorneys in big law than GGU, Santa Clara, USF, but I also know a lot of unemployed people from Hastings and not so much the other schools. They pump out a ton of grads some make it some do not. Again, if you are a working attorney or hiring partner at some firm I will respect your opinion over mine, but honestly nobody outside of New York has heard of Fordham just as nobody outside of California has heard of Hastings despite their tier 1 ranking, which is gained literally by uninformed people feeling in a scantron of very good, good, etc. I though Brooklyn was tier 1 awhile ago and I am pretty sure it was and that just goes to show with schools like that by the time you graduate they might be in the tier 2's or you can go to a tier 2 or tier 3 that ends up in tier 1 by the time you graduate. The formula makes NO sense and that is why it varies so much from year to year.
Looking at 9 of the top 10 firms according to Vault (I don't see an easy way to search by law school on Weil's website), there are roughly 160 attorneys from Fordham and 80 from Brooklyn.  That's total attorneys in the firm, which includes those who have been practicing for decades, those who may have lateraled in with clients, and those who joined the firms when they were less impressive firms. 
I don't have time to map out the trend at the moment, but the pattern that I witnessed at the NY BigLaw firm where I worked for 3 1/2 years was that it was becoming more competitive.  They recruited from Brooklyn and Cardozo in 2006.  By 2007, Brooklyn was off the list.  By 2010, Cardozo was off the list.  Who knows, maybe in a few years, the only NY schools they'll recruit from will be NYU and Columbia, but at least for now, Fordham is still on the list. 

Fordham is a good brand, though.  I know I spent the last 8 years in NYC, but I grew up in the Midwest and had heard of Fordham before moving out East.  I'm a little shocked to read that you think no one outside of NY has heard of Fordham.  You and I are a sample size of 2 with different anecdotes, so I can't really negate your opinion with mine, but I will challenge it.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: September 20, 2010, 04:10:01 PM »
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Just to go off another regional ranking tanget L.A. it is the same as the Bay Area I mean there is UCLA & USC. Those are bad-ass schools, but really is a Loyola Marymount graduate going to have more employers than someone from Southwestern begging them to work for the firm. That is the same logic in New York as well I am sure Columbia and NYU will open doors, but will Brooklyn do anymore for you than Fordham or Cardozo? I could be wrong, but when I worked in New York there were a ton of lawyers who worked together from school's of varyign rank and the ones that were most satisfied with their schools were the ones that went to CUNY and that is because they all almost no debt based on CUNY's in-state tuition. Some people got to pay 90K more for a prestigious tier 2 degree from Rutgers, but they ended in the same spot. Now the person in charge of everyone on my team went to Penn, which again is a baller school and it probably helped her obtain promotions etc. However, Rutgers, CUNY, New York Law School, Hofstra, Seton Hall, etc are not going to put you on the fast track to anything they will get you to the same spot and you will have to prove you are a good attorney. I am sure all of those schools provide you with the basis to become competent, , but you will need to put the work in.  So  unless you are going to an elite school go to the one that will get out with the least debt.
Brooklyn won't do more than Fordham or Cardozo in NY (unless, perhaps, the hiring attorney is a Brooklyn alumnus) as it is ranked lower than the other two. Will Fordham open more doors than the other two, though?  Um, yeah.  Definitely.  Fordham feeds into Big Law, not as much as NYU and Columbia, but it does.  It's respectable in the eyes of Big Law recruiting committees.  Cardozo was feeding into Big Law in NY when the market was good, but I've been advised by Big Law attorneys to not even apply.
After Fordham, though, it is regional.  I do know NY Law (T3) attorneys in good jobs... but those jobs were secured in a different market.  So, will the jobs all get shifted down?  Will those good jobs that had been going to NY Law grads now go to Brooklyn Law grads?  ...Because those that had been going to Brooklyn law grads are now going to Cardozo grads who can no longer land the Big Law gigs?  Not sure.  But I can say with confidence that Fordham (T1) opens far more doors than Brooklyn (T2).

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: September 20, 2010, 05:40:03 AM »
wrt rankings: I largely agree with the [outgoing] dean of Northwestern Law based on my observations in the Northeast and Midwest. They're imperfect but useful.

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/difference/statementOnRank.html

Like them or not, people pay attention to them.

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Law School Applications / Re: Latest date to take LSAT?
« on: September 16, 2010, 07:26:42 AM »
It depends on the school.  Most of the top schools have January or February dates for applications, but some have March or later.  Regardless, you can take the December LSAT and get your applications in on time.  You may even be okay to take the February LSAT depending on where you hope to go.  However, many schools appear to have rolling admissions, so those who apply strategically tend to apply earlier.  That said, if you expect to earn a significantly higher score in December than you would in October, that is going to give you a greater advantage than applying two months earlier.

Good luck! :)

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Is law school possible at 62?
« on: September 15, 2010, 10:54:15 PM »
Specific to obtaining a degree and license your age may cause you difficulty in 2 areas, and I am not trying to be cute here: (1) LSAC will need your undergraduate transcripts and GPA, asuming that was 40 some years ago, that could be a problem?and (2) the bar application typically requires a complete and accurate accounting of addresses and employers - for me that was tough going back 25 years, I cant imagine going back 40 some years.

Question: ok- here is where I show my ignorance- will someone please explain LSAC. I know what it stands for but how do I use this website?
 John 4040, Now, you can color ME stupid.
LSAC is the Law School Admission Council.  Create an account to sign up for the LSAT. 
http://lsac.org/

In addition to the LSAT, this is also where you'll sign up for the Assembly Service (LSCAS / LSDAS, whatever acronym they're using now...).  The service collects your transcript and letters of recommendation.  You'll then apply to schools online through LSAC.  Your LSAT score(s) and transcript(s) will be sent to all schools, and you can choose which letters get assigned to which schools.

Go to the link and look around. :)

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