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Law School Admissions / Re: 2010-2011 Application Cycle
« on: October 05, 2010, 04:19:14 AM »
Congrats on finishing your apps!  I look forward to hearing what your options end up being.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: top law school vs national law school
« on: October 04, 2010, 08:23:40 AM »
I would gather a top law school could mean regional.

As I understand it, Top Law School refers to any well regarded school (i.e. T1).  However National Law Schools are those whose brand extends beyond the region.  For example, Washington & Lee is a fairly well ranked law school, but hardly anyone outside the greater Lexington, VA region has heard of it.  It would, imo, be a Top Law School but not a National Law School. 
National Law Schools would include H/Y/S, Columbia, NYU, Michigan, Chicago, Georgetown, UCLA, Penn, Northwestern, etc.  Some might consider IU-Bloomington to be more of a National Law School than NYU because most IU grads do NOT ultimately practice in Bloomington whereas many (a majority of?) NYU Law grads stay in NYC.  Make sense?

I would consider all national law schools to be top law schools but not all top law schools to be national law schools.  However, I think that depends on how strict the definition of "top" is.  I don't believe Ave Maria would be considered a national law school because it's not highly regarded.  Notre Dame would be, but because of its strong brand, not because it's a Catholic school.  HBCU... not sure.  Howard has a good brand, and firms like to boast diversity, but I haven't really looked into it b/c I'm white. :) 
...k, just checked website of the BigLaw firm I used to work for.  There are a handful of Howard alumni working as attorneys, at least half of whom summer'ed there.  All but one are in the DC office, though, so it's hard to say how much is regional.  Still, Howard fares better than other T3 schools at my old firm.  For example, the only NYC law schools they recruit from are NYU, Columbia and Fordham (all T1).  They used to recruit from Cardozo (ranked around 50th) but not so much now.
Which other HBCU have law schools?

The only one I've noticed is Northwestern.  They have a career evaluation survey, though, so if you're planning on applying, be prepared to ask a boss / former boss.  It's also not required, but if it can help...

A couple nitpicking thoughts...

Private schools have a big advantage over public schools, generally speaking. Of course in the flagship state is usually considered "great" by people in that state, but you leave the state and your school is only known if they're good at football or basketball, and even then they're only known for football or basketball. Interestingly, there seem to be a lot of schools which have "good" (according to US News anyway) law schools that don't have good undergrad programs -- Fordham, GW, American, GMU, Minnesota, Alabama -- I would guess these schools are not highly regarded according to lay perception (though GW may be an exception). However, there aren't as many schools that have very highly regarded undergrad programs with inferior law schools -- all I can think of is Wake Forest (I know it's undergrad is around #25 and law is around #40) so might be hard to make any conclusions about these schools.
Like GW, I think Fordham could also be an exception, at least regionally.  It has a rich history and relatively good brand despite its weaker undergrad (but even that is respected... 3rd best undergrad in NYC after Columbia and NYU, right?).  However, I would guess most lay NYers would guess the law school is in the Bronx instead of down at Lincoln Center. :)

Quote from: lawboy81
1. harvard
2. yale
3. stanford
4. georgetown
5. columbia
6. duke
7. berkeley
9.  notre dame
10. vanderbilt
11. cornell
12. ucla
13. virginia
14. michigan
15. nyu
16. penn/ penn state
17. emory
18. northwestern
19. gw
20. usc
21. texas
22. unc
23. tulane
24. bc/ bu
25. u. chicago

Basically take US News list for undergraduate schools. Then add point for having an expensive, prestigious sounding private school name (see "cornell," "vanderbilt," "tulane," "berkeley"), deduct major points for sounding like a state school (see "u. chicago), but deduct less points if the school is a state or private school that sounds like a state school with a catchy moniker ("ucla" "unc," "nyu", etc.). Add points if school has good sports programs (notre dame, duke), but deduct points if more people think of it as PRIMARILY a sports powerhouse (michigan, usc, texas). Add a few points if the word "Boston" is in the name, because Boston sounds prestigious.  Viola, the list.
I think your logic makes sense.  I'm curious why you put Penn/Penn State, though.  I mean, the former is an Ivy with a Top 5 b-school.  Those in business make a HUGE distinction between Penn and Penn State. I imagine most other college educated types at least know the difference. 

Politics and Law-Related News / Re: Meg Whitman controversy
« on: October 01, 2010, 01:43:40 PM »
Hiring an illegal immigrant is as illegal in Ca as it is in Iowa.It shouldn't matter if it's more accepted in Ca-it's still illegal. It's also wrong to take advantage of hiring an illegal immigrant.As far as paying her $23 /hr I'm sure the maid was doing more than cleaning her house. She was probably the nanny,cook, gardner and everything else.
I hope Mrs Whitman wasn't trying to save a couple of dollars because it may cost her in the long run.
Do u really think she employed someone for almost a decade and it didn't know that person's status? She's demonstrated she's a savvy successful business woman. It's hard to believe she wouls miss that.
I agree no one can escape being human but she is running for office and she knows that her dirty laundy will be aired.
If she can create jobs and improve CA's economy then she should still be considered,I agree.
I don't know if it's particularly easy to determine if an immigrant came here legally or illegally if said immigrant has a 1099 on file with the agency from which she was hired.  I mean, if Ms. Whitman looked into it, sure, I'm sure she could have found the paper trail to the truth, but what would prompt her to do so?
There are plenty of illegal immigrants who are Hispanic in California, but there are also plenty of legal immigrants who are Hispanic in California.  To inquire about an employee's immigration/citizenship status beyond the typical 1099 simply because of his/her ethnicity would be an act of prejudice, no?

Law School Admissions / Re: 2010-2011 Application Cycle
« on: October 01, 2010, 10:17:40 AM »
A thought I just had aqs I stared at the blank screen.  Th essay is used to test "writing, reasoning, and editing" skills.  So how about a 250 word essay on why I will be successful at YAle backed up by academic evidence?
That could work, but I think the challenge could be refraining from being cliche.  I'm not applying to Yale; is this essay your personal statement or in addition to it?

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Where Should I Start with the LSAT?
« on: October 01, 2010, 06:15:35 AM »
I'd recommend taking an untimed practice test first, just to determine where your strengths and weaknesses are and go from there.  After two weeks, take a timed practice test to see how you respond to those constraints and find any new weaknesses.

I found that a lot of the theory behind logical reasoning also applies to the logic games and vice versa, so I found it very beneficial to concentrate on training myself to think logically.  The games came easily first for me, and the LR followed.  Other people will have different strengths, so I think it's best to do a diagnostic.

I took the February 2010 LSAT while working full time.  I was also in school part time last fall (which is why I didn't opt for the December 2009 exam!), so I definitely understand the time crunch.  I think you have a good study schedule laid out for yourself.  Spend the week learning the test, and spend the weekends taking a practice and going over the answers.  Slow and steady wins the race. :)

On the blank parts of the page in that section?  Of course.  It's part of the reason I was glad the LSAT isn't on a computer like the GRE and GMAT. :)

Law School Admissions / Re: 2010-2011 Application Cycle
« on: September 30, 2010, 04:37:02 AM »

I am already registered :)  I'm glad I went to Drexel first for I learned it will be congested for most of the NYC forum Saturday. I plan on heading up right when they open at 10 to sign, talk and leave
Have fun!  I went last year.  The biggest lines are for schools on the coasts.  If you have any schools in flyover states you want to check out (other than Chicago and Northwestern), you shouldn't have a problem.  I have to say, though, I was very impressed with NYU at the Forum last year.  They had a ton of students, but also 3 or 4 representatives whereas most had only 1 or 2, even from the other NYC schools.  When I got to the front of the line, I thought I would be rushed along, but the admissions counselor actually engaged me in conversation, seemed interested, knew the firm I was working at (a highly ranked V50 firm, yet there were still reps at the forum who gave me a blank stare when I told them), and really sold the school even though I know NYU isn't hurting for applicants.
I was unimpressed with IU.  An Indiana native, I stopped by along with a friend of a friend who went to IU Kelley for undergrad.  The entire sales pitch was "you can go here or go somewhere else and pay a lot more".  Uh, thanks.  There was no one else waiting, and we were two who might actually apply.  I've since visited the campus and loved it, and I think its location in a small town forces it to have greater reach in terms of OCR compared to slightly lower ranked OSU, located in a bigger city where many graduates remain.  However, many at the NYC Forum won't ever visit Bloomington before applying.

Anyway, thanks for sharing the responses from various schools!  I'm not surprised at the mixed reaction, but it's nice to know what the party line is at specific schools. :)


Anything too specialized as a legal assistant wouldn't necessarily give him a broad view of the legal field.  I was thinking of sitting in the basement of a dirt law firm doing title searches, for example.

A smaller firm (but not a boutique firm) may give him a wider range of tasks and areas to observe.  If he were to do general scheduling, file management, preparing motions, etc., the view would be broad.  In other words, absent him having an interest in a specific field, like patent, bankruptcy, etc, broader is better.

The tedium is there no matter WHERE you go in the field.  He'll be exposed to that anyway.
Ah, I see what you're saying. :)  The bulk of my experience has been at a big firm supporting the corporate transactional practice, so I was curious why that might be inadequate.

I agree a broad exposure is ideal, but I'm not sure the size of the firm really matters so much as the structure.  My first role at the big firm exposed me to tax, restructuring and IP litigation in addition to transactional law, while I imagine many small firms are highly specialized and thereby offer a very limited scope.

Regardless, congrats on the job, megee333 (though I bet that's quite a paycut for you! ;)); I hope it helps you determine which direction you'd like to go.

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