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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: NWCU by the numbers
« on: April 01, 2013, 08:47:03 PM »
Example: a minimum security inmate with regular online access might be a good candidate, if the school would admit him. (And why not? He's got nothing but time and it's not like they're serious about producing attorneys.) Another might be a retired senior with loads of free time and curiosity, whose doctor has instructed him to start exercising his mind before he loses it. But that's a gamble, seniors who read this. The cure may become the cause.

The majority of online students for various reasons cannot attend a regular law school, by default many of them will be unqualified to pass the bar becuase they lacks skills, time, money, or stability.  The odds of getting all the way through and passing are somewhere around 20-1 against given a high attrition rate for various reasons usually failure of the FYLSE or lack of time.  However, law is well suited to online study, it's just that about 95% of the students going the online route are unsuitable.  If the ABA would accredit online study, we would see the attrition go to something like even (50-50) odds of passing the bar.  There is nothing unique about study of law that makes it unsuitable for online study, English and South African law schools have been offering law degrees for years which qualify the graduates for a training contract.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: NWCU by the numbers
« on: March 27, 2013, 10:45:53 PM »
June 2012 FYLSE has 31 NWCU First timers taking it and 69 total
http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/4/documents/Statistics/Junefylsxstats2012_R.pdf

October 2011 - 31 First Timers from NWCU and 74 total
http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/4/documents/fyx/FylsxStatsOct2011.pdf

June 2011 41 FT and 78 total
http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=I4HxJJNgGJE%3d&tabid=2269&mid=3159

Given that many of these students were stalled and only a third passed - the ongoing enrollment at NWCU is likely less than 200.

The ones that can't get by the FYLSE exam don't count.  The First Timer total would seem to reflect an annual enrollment of of under 100 new students a year even counting the wash outs that don't make it to the FYLSE.

No way the NWCU is collecting tuition at an annual rate of 600 students.

Bottom line, may will try but few succeed because most are unqualified to pass a simple exam.

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Tell that to Justice Scalia, Bryan Garner, Corbin, Farnsworth, the ALI, Prosser.  Most law review articles are written by professors.  And, by the way, Bailey was disbarred.  The only way to become effective at practicing law is to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the law.

Stan Chesley was just disbarred too - doesn't mean they were not excellent attorneys in their heyday.

Most attorneys do NOT have an encyclopedic knowledge of law.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: NWCU by the numbers
« on: March 26, 2013, 10:21:23 PM »
Where did you get the statistic 600 student at NWCU Law?

That seems extremely high.  Are you sure you read those stats right?


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Maybe it is an exploit and vacuums up all your data?  I always get my legal software from discussion boards as it is more legal that way.

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But, if he/she does not really want to do that, then he/she is stuck with creating his/her own brand.    The online law school degree (from any online law school) is only a beginning. The school's name will not help him/her get his/her foot in the door. Getting published is one excellent way of creating your own brand.

Law is largely not an academic pursuit; you get recognized by practising law, not writing about it.  Win a few cases and get the respect of your peers; that's the way to get ahead. Law Review articles by students are mainly rehashes of secondary sources. read the classics instead: Gerry Spence, Melvin Belli, F. Lee Bailey, Louis Nizer, etc.

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It's not so generous as you might think; one of Soton's main industries are foreign students.

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I also don't buy the story that people in general get scam law degrees because they love the law.  I would say they get the fake JDs in order to misrepresent themselves and their credentials.  A degree from a  scam law school like N*VUS is nothing to brag about but could be used to deceive people.

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California registered distance learning law schools are not a scam; the other ones are because you cannot take the bar despite what promoter claim and they have zero academic standing.

Additionally, the California DL degrees are academically accepted; mine was evaluated by SAQA (South African Qaulifications Authority) http://www.saqa.org.za/ and given the equivalency of a South African Bachelors in Law degree. An accredited US graduate school granted me graduate credit as well at one time.

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