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Mid Atlantic is not actually a real law school since it is not registered with any bar association the grads cannot qualify for the California Bar (or any other) - so they wouldn't know.


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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Never too late
« on: April 23, 2013, 08:05:45 PM »
Just shows that California's Bar can negotiate deals if it wants to - no rhyme or reason why a California lawyer would need only 1 year experience and a Pennsylvania one five?  The reciprocity is that Irish solicitors can sit the California bar.  New York gets no reciporcity with Ireland despite having a big St Paddy's Day Parade every year.

This demonstrates why an optional national bar would be a good idea.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Never too late
« on: April 21, 2013, 11:49:52 PM »
Even stranger California does have a reciprocity agreement with Ireland of all places:

Only lawyers qualified in one of the jurisdictions listed below may be eligible to sit the QLTT:
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, California (with one year PQE in California), Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, England and Wales, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, New York (with one year PQE in New York), Norway, Pennsylvania (with five years PQE in Pennsylvania) Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Scotland, Switzerland, New South Wales and New Zealand.

http://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/education/qltt/QLTTInfoPack.pdf

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Never too late
« on: April 20, 2013, 08:22:17 PM »
Actually I agree, law students often do not understand that the JD is just the beginning and after graduation fall into a rut.  How many California lawyers are needlessly afraid of federal court, criminal law or trying something new for fear of making a mistake or looking foolish? In the EU, a European lawyer can practice in any member state - in the USA we have over fifty different state and territorial bars with a lot of needless barriers erected.  As a non ABA grad, I can practice in a handful of states but have been admitted in 4 different UK jurisdictions.  I often wonder if our mainstream law schools foist an unnecessaruly restrictive worldview on their students?

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Never too late
« on: April 09, 2013, 07:27:15 PM »
Put another way, if you have a Harvard JD you could clerk for a Federal Judge or have the option of representing SSI claimants if that's your cup of tea; unranked and lower ranked school graduates don't have the same band width of options. The lower ranking your school, the fewer options you will have straight out of school.  However, in the scheme of things helping SSI claimants may indeed do more good for society than being the hatchet person for a corporate schill  judge or an insurance company or god forbid a bank!

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On line degrees are fine as long as you are understand that you need to first pass the California bar and the only other bar that will let you in without an act of God is  DC.

Your clients are not likely to care but opposing counsel and their clients sometimes try to make something of it.

You will also face outright hostility if you apply for a position with a law firm or govt. agency.

Therefore aside from DC and California; that online degree is not recognized as a qualifying law degree by 49 other states (give or take a few like Iowa that may make an exception with 10 years of experience).

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The problem is the impotent state bar and DAs who do not prosecute so called independent paralegals, non bonded immigration consultants, and sovereign citizens who practice law without a license.  Unleashing a bunch of people who don't have the academic ability to obtain a JD on the public is a poor idea but a great one for law schools who can charge for the degree.

I never under stood why a paralegal would need a Masters degree.  Thery need skills not degrees.  The ones I instructed were too lazy to learn how to use Lexis or WestLaw.

Hispanics can afford attorneys just like everyone else and do not need a special class of legal practitioners to serve them just becuase Mexico has notarios.


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That's extremely interesting; the mediator certification in particular will be very helpful to your students and any exposure to real clients is another plus.

I am not so enthisiastic about the so called 2 year limited license which in essence licenses paralegals though it might be a revenue booster for law schools.  I used to instruct in a regionally accredited MA in Legal Studies program and I shudder to think of the damage my former students might inflict if permitted to practice even in a limited fashion.

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As a dean of a CBE law school (Monterey College of Law), I can confirm that what makes California accredited law school programs different is that we are scaled in size and cost to more closely meet the needs of the local community. Our law degree costs about $65K . . . not $150K. As a part-time evening program, our students are encouraged to start working in law-related jobs during law school, not only reducing the need for student loans, but in most cases providing the opportunity to get actual experience in different practice areas (and law firms) to identify a preferred area of practice after graduation. In some ways, our format is much closer to the medical school practicum model than the typical ABA program. I think that you will also find that the bar pass rates for good students at CBE schools is competitive with the unranked ABA law schools.

How do you feel about one of the options of the English system - Bachelors in Law coupled with a 2 year training contract?

Is US law so much more complex than England that it requires 7 years of school?  As someone dually licensed in England and the USA, I would say English law is far more complex as it take into consideration about 500 more years of precedent and the EU legal system as well.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: NWCU by the numbers
« on: April 03, 2013, 12:32:10 PM »
I agree with you that the mere activity of learning the law is well-suited to online study, Jon. But becoming a successful attorney involves more than just rote memorization of esoteric rules and learning to perform legal analysis. What do online programs substitute for the face-to-face relationships you form in brick and mortar law schools? I don't believe that the importance of forging relationships and making friends with your classmates can be overstated. (It would take some effort.) Seeing the same people in classes month after month and year after year cements those relationships. I usually prepare for my exams by sitting alone in my den with the door shut, laboring over practice exams and outlines. But the rest of the time, it seems like a mistake to brush off the all-important element of networking if your goal is to succeed in the legal field.

But why would Law be different from credentialed Psychology, Public Administration or Legal Studies (MASL) online programs? To tell you the truth there is a higher percentage of a-hol;es in the legal field - in all those lawyer jokes there must be a kernel of truth? The whole thing has to do with the ABA, schools that make money from the students and overpaid law professors - online study cuts the costs down fro the student.

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