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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Never too late
« on: July 05, 2013, 11:18:41 PM »
Ultimately, there is no national law license due to some inscrutable 10th Amendement issue.  Much the same like states being allowed to make a complete mess of insurance regulation.

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The problem is that online and correspondence law schools often attract the wrong type of student who will never pass the bar because they lack the basic skill set at best.  The problem is not online education.  England has dished out online law degrees for years.  When the ABA finally accredits online learning sometime in the year 2069; the problem will be solved.  However by that time lawyer's will likely be largely obsolete having been replaced by LegalZoom Avatars.  The field of law is hopelessly backward and still in many ways resembles what Dickens wrote about two Centuries ago.

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Mid Atlantic is not actually a real law school since it is not registered with any bar association the grads cannot qualify for the California Bar (or any other) - so they wouldn't know.


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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Never too late
« on: April 23, 2013, 08:05:45 PM »
Just shows that California's Bar can negotiate deals if it wants to - no rhyme or reason why a California lawyer would need only 1 year experience and a Pennsylvania one five?  The reciprocity is that Irish solicitors can sit the California bar.  New York gets no reciporcity with Ireland despite having a big St Paddy's Day Parade every year.

This demonstrates why an optional national bar would be a good idea.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Never too late
« on: April 21, 2013, 11:49:52 PM »
Even stranger California does have a reciprocity agreement with Ireland of all places:

Only lawyers qualified in one of the jurisdictions listed below may be eligible to sit the QLTT:
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, California (with one year PQE in California), Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, England and Wales, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, New York (with one year PQE in New York), Norway, Pennsylvania (with five years PQE in Pennsylvania) Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Scotland, Switzerland, New South Wales and New Zealand.

http://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/education/qltt/QLTTInfoPack.pdf

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Never too late
« on: April 20, 2013, 08:22:17 PM »
Actually I agree, law students often do not understand that the JD is just the beginning and after graduation fall into a rut.  How many California lawyers are needlessly afraid of federal court, criminal law or trying something new for fear of making a mistake or looking foolish? In the EU, a European lawyer can practice in any member state - in the USA we have over fifty different state and territorial bars with a lot of needless barriers erected.  As a non ABA grad, I can practice in a handful of states but have been admitted in 4 different UK jurisdictions.  I often wonder if our mainstream law schools foist an unnecessaruly restrictive worldview on their students?

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Never too late
« on: April 09, 2013, 07:27:15 PM »
Put another way, if you have a Harvard JD you could clerk for a Federal Judge or have the option of representing SSI claimants if that's your cup of tea; unranked and lower ranked school graduates don't have the same band width of options. The lower ranking your school, the fewer options you will have straight out of school.  However, in the scheme of things helping SSI claimants may indeed do more good for society than being the hatchet person for a corporate schill  judge or an insurance company or god forbid a bank!

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On line degrees are fine as long as you are understand that you need to first pass the California bar and the only other bar that will let you in without an act of God is  DC.

Your clients are not likely to care but opposing counsel and their clients sometimes try to make something of it.

You will also face outright hostility if you apply for a position with a law firm or govt. agency.

Therefore aside from DC and California; that online degree is not recognized as a qualifying law degree by 49 other states (give or take a few like Iowa that may make an exception with 10 years of experience).

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The problem is the impotent state bar and DAs who do not prosecute so called independent paralegals, non bonded immigration consultants, and sovereign citizens who practice law without a license.  Unleashing a bunch of people who don't have the academic ability to obtain a JD on the public is a poor idea but a great one for law schools who can charge for the degree.

I never under stood why a paralegal would need a Masters degree.  Thery need skills not degrees.  The ones I instructed were too lazy to learn how to use Lexis or WestLaw.

Hispanics can afford attorneys just like everyone else and do not need a special class of legal practitioners to serve them just becuase Mexico has notarios.


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That's extremely interesting; the mediator certification in particular will be very helpful to your students and any exposure to real clients is another plus.

I am not so enthisiastic about the so called 2 year limited license which in essence licenses paralegals though it might be a revenue booster for law schools.  I used to instruct in a regionally accredited MA in Legal Studies program and I shudder to think of the damage my former students might inflict if permitted to practice even in a limited fashion.

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