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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: distance learning
« on: November 28, 2011, 02:05:32 PM »
What other state bar did you pass?  Are you licensed in that state?  Is your LLD program online as well?

Forgive me, but you two look like your are misunderstanding each other.  Neither one comes of as hostile to me and I sense an unnecessary escalation. 

I didn't think anyone has been licensed from an online school outside of Cali, either. I knew it was theoretically possible, but not that it had been done.  Its a huge boot for the legitimacy of online schools, huge.

Good question:

5 years as a California attorney regardless of law school and you can motion into the DC bar with no problem:

What are the eligibility requirements to apply for admission without examination?
There are two provisions:

a. Having been a member in good standing of a Bar of a court of general jurisdiction in any state or territory of the United States for a period of five years immediately preceding the filing of your application.


b. Having been awarded a J.D. or LL.B. degree from a law school which, at the time of the awarding of the degree, was approved by the American Bar Association; having been admitted to the practice of law in any state or territory of the United States upon the successful completion of a written bar examination, with a scaled score of 133 or more on the Multistate Bar Examination (MBE) which the state or territory deems to have been taken as part of such examination, and a 75 scaled score on the Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination (MPRE).

The other bar exam is the England & Wales QLTS which requires two years practice experience. The QLTS is still evolving having replaced the QLTT which was a three day open book bar exam! California attorneys however qualify for the QLTS.

I believe California also has reciprocity with the QLTT bar exam for Ireland with 1 years experience:

It also looks like one can motion in Iowa after ten years experience.

LLD is what they call external through UNISA - University of South Africa.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: distance learning
« on: November 28, 2011, 09:27:00 AM »
As a matter of fact I did get a correspondence school JD, have passed two bars including California, am a member of three major bars and dozen minor ones, am a LLD candidate (student), and instruct online.  You say you want to discuss cases but all you offer are unsupported conclusions and opinion. First thing you do with an outliar state court case like Ross is Sheperdize it to see if any other court has cited it for good or bad. Secondly, Ross as a state court case cannot be a binding precedent outside Massachusetts.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: distance learning
« on: November 27, 2011, 05:31:51 PM »
Got any citations to support that interesting proposition?  I don't think you are correct.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: distance learning
« on: November 27, 2011, 11:22:29 AM »
Here's a case that should be of interest - Mitchell v. Bar Examiners

Does this case have any application elsewhere or is it limited to Massachusetts residents like Mitchell?

Has the case been successfully cited as precedent or at least as an influential case elsewhere?

Why is anyone entitled to a job? You have a license to practice, get off you lazy behinds and go to work. Take a weekend seminar, buy some practice books and you are good to go with
Social Security Disability, Workers Comp, or Immigration. Go hang out at the courts and pick up the conflict public defender cases, juvenile or child custody cases nobody wants.
You will do a Hell of a lot better for people and society in general than at some law firm catering to corporations and the fees start to roll ion after a while.  The work is also 100% more interesting.

L.L.M. Board / Re: Is an LLM worth it?
« on: November 23, 2011, 05:15:14 PM »
A specialized LLM in Tax might worth it but if it were an online I am not sure it would add much unless you acquired practice experience first.

Use some common sense, call the LLM department at NYU and ask to speak to the graduate advisor or department chair. First thing I'd ask point blank is if a non JD can be admitted to the program. Personally, I'd assume a JD would be the usual prerequisite for a LLM unless told otherwise.

Non-Traditional Students / Re: 39 and considering law school
« on: November 21, 2011, 09:32:57 AM »
What you want then is a MPA (Masters in Public Administration), a PhD in Public Administration from a reputable school would take quite a few years and would not add any value unless you wanted to become college faculty. You can get an accredited MPA online through Kaplan University and others.

I disagree, the ABA sets the standards and State Bar Examiners fall in line with a few exceptions. An attorney with a California DL or correspondence degree can usually qualify in only one other jurisidicition, District of Columbia. A Concord grad did sue and was able to take the bar in Massachusetts. On paper at least it seems possible to qualify in Iowa, Indiana, and maybe Wisconsin in narrow circumstances. The so called reciprocity agreements block out DL grads, California therefore is correct to deny reciprocity as most states will not permit non ABA to even take their bars. The ABA hypocrits however will gladly take your money if you are an attorney from a DL school and let you be a member.

Immigration, Social Security Disability, and Veterans Disability are federal practice areas, it is possible to practice nationwide with just a California license if you are careful. California also has state regulated Immigration Consultants who are not attorneys.

You do not need a law degree to be one.

PS Assuming one could get into a LLM program without JD, they would not qualify to take the bar unless they already had a foreign Bachelors in Law or a JD.

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