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Which means that you will only create cheap attorneys by creating bad attorneys.

Unless you define "good" as equalling how much an attorney earns, hourly fees have absolutely nothing to with how good an attorney is for a client. Some of the best attorneys work for free or on a contingent fee basis, the hourly guys who work for big firms, are usually good at one thing - billing their clients for every nanosecond spent on a case. Good attorneys work for people and causes not corporations and insurance companies. Or to put it another way, an attorney who represents SSI claimants does a Hell of a lot more good than one who helps corporations squeeze more money out of consumers and employees.  My unsolicited advice, go read one of Gerry Spence's books.

Therefore, I disagree, we need far fewer indebted attorneys who paid big law school tuition and are more concerned with paying off their loans than helping clients. If someone has a bachelors degree and training and can pass the bar, why shouldn't they be an attorney? In England, an undergrad degree, a one year conversion course, and two year training contract at a law firm are all that is required with no bar exam at all to become a solicitor (which is a lawyer).

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They're just greedy SOBs that don't want the ABA cutting into their bottom line with silly "standards" like requiring the library have books, when that money could be paying for something far better like the dean's salary.

I'm not arguing that law school adminstrators and faculty (who after all usually only possess a JD themselves are overpaid) but why would anyone actually need a paper lawbook these days? They are super expensive, cumbersome, and have regular Hellishly expensive updates. And they come in electronic versions anyway. Any attorney who is doing more than 5% of their research from paper books is way behind the technology curve. Let's face it, law books which can't be searched for terms or immediately cross referenced are a waste of time. Law schools who rely on paper are setting students up with outmoded skill sets. The ABA is so far behind the times that it is hugely irrelevant to most lawyers except where it maintains its death grip on law schools. The ABA can't even begin to resolve the morass of multijurisdictional practice and the Internet - they s_ck. But the law book publishers love them.

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I would check the bar pass rate for American Heritage very carefully. I turned down a faculty position there a few years ago when they were just getting started. While things may have changed since then, I was not impressed with the program.

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I don't think Taft traditionally gives A's. Looking back on my transcript, I graduated with a 2.79 GPA and never made a 3.0 average any year, in fact the worst year was my 4th, got a 2.44 GPA.

But the grades were largely irrelevant since I passed the FYLE and Cal Bar on my first tries. Those are the only tests that really count with a distance learning law degree.

The Taft degree is not really an academic degree (it was in essence a reading list) though when I had it evaluated recently for admission to an LLD program, I was given credit for having completed a Bachelors in Law.

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L.L.M. Board / Re: Is an LLM worth it?
« on: December 12, 2011, 08:37:12 PM »
I was wrong, figure one year for a LLM in Tax from what I can see. Best deal would be a joint JD/LLM program like Loyola LA offers.


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L.L.M. Board / Re: Is an LLM worth it?
« on: December 11, 2011, 11:22:38 AM »
I can't see how a LLM IN Tax is going to make anyone much more employable unless they have some work experience as an attorney first. It might make you marginally more employable but you would have to give up two years of potential earnings  and I am not sure the math would make sense since Tax law does not come to mind as paying more than say litigation. In fact, LLMs have to compete somewhat with CPAs, CPA-Attorneys and Enrolled Agents.

And yes, $16-$18 an hour is what Intuit is offering licensed attorneys with tax experience I know because I spoke with them last week. I had to hold back the laughter but they would not have offered that rate unless there were takers.

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Job Search / Back to the Future
« on: December 11, 2011, 09:29:07 AM »
Intuit is hiring experienced attorney tax advisors:

http://intuit.apply2jobs.com/ProfExt/index.cfm?fuseaction=mExternal.showJob&RID=72315&CurrentPage=1

Looks good huh?  Intuit  is paying a paltry $16-$18 an hour and you have to work a straight 8 hour shift from home like you are in a cubicle. Twenty years ago when I got my law license with a non ABA degree and no one would hire me, I got the lowest lawyer job possible, representing lifer inmates at a maximum secuirty prison at their parole hearings. The California Parole Board paid $23 and hour, the other lawyers thought I was crazy but I needed the work.

Intuit would not offer that salary unless there were takers....

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L.L.M. Board / Re: Is an LLM worth it?
« on: December 11, 2011, 09:22:20 AM »
In other words, pass the bar and get some practice experience first before pursuing a LLM in Tax.  Otherwise you can work for TurboTax as a Tax Advisor, they want to hire attorneys at $16-$18 an hour!!

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: distance learning
« on: December 08, 2011, 10:52:24 AM »
There are two external PhD/LLD options I know of and both are good, University of Leiden and University of South Africa. You need to contact them with your thesis proposal first to see if anyone on the faculty is interested in the topic.  I am with University of South Africa but I have a background representing African entities. Leiden might be the first choice:

http://law.leiden.edu/research/phdprogramme/how-to-become/howtobecomephdcandidate.html

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Online vs Correspondence
« on: December 08, 2011, 10:32:18 AM »
Unless there is a major cost differential that makes a difference, the online courses with an instructor are going to be better than correspondence. I did the correspondence route because there was no online 25 years ago. But in my opinion a successful correspondence student will need familiarity with the legal field or courts and proven ability to memorize law outlines, statutes, Blacks Dictionary and nutshells by sheer force of will or they will likely wash out quicky.

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