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« on: November 29, 2011, 01:14:25 PM »
I agree, DETC is of no help with bars but does make a difference iyou want to use the JD for academic purposes.
I checked with the New Mexico peititioner, their app. is still tied up with red tape. They are contemplating going to the NM Supreme Court.
Taft alumni are members of multiple bars, Taft could do better to keep track.
« on: November 28, 2011, 02:30:56 PM »
I read this case a little while back. Ross Mitchell passed the MA bar exam and is working in MA.
I think that most states will allow someone with an online law school degree to sit for their exam on a case by case basis. I think that getting published on legal analytical topics is one of the best ways out there that shows them what you can do. Even ABA law school grads submit a sample of their writing to government agencies and some of the top law firms. It will not be easy. But, it is not impossible to get the green light to sit for a bar exam after earning a law degree online.
In theory you are correct, in practice I suspect most petitions falter on the ABA bull:
Mitchell is cited in only one other case by the way:
Nevertheless, [*13] the Legislature has conferred upon this Court “exclusive jurisdiction to regulate the admission of persons to the practice of law,” 4 V.I.C. § 32(e), as well as the right to “adopt … the rules for admissions to and governance of the Virgin Islands Bar.” 4 V.I.C. § 32(f)(2). Courts vested with this same power in other jurisdictions have generally held that “the power to waive rules governing admission to the bar can be implied from [the] authority to promulgate such rules… .” Application of Urie, 617 P.2d 505, 510 (Alaska 1980). See also Mitchell v. Board of Bar Exam'rs, 452 Mass. 582, 897 N.E.2d 7, 10 (Mass. 2008)
(“This court has the equitable power to waive a particular requirement of a court rule concerning admission to the bar.”) (citing Matter of Tocci, 413 Mass. 542, 600 N.E.2d 577 (Mass. 1992)); Application of Collins-Bazant, 254 Neb. 614, 578 N.W.2d 38, 42 (Neb. 1998) (“This Court has the power to waive the application of its own rules regarding the admission of attorneys to the Nebraska bar.”); Matter of Schmidt, 100 Idaho 729, 604 P.2d 1208, 1209 (Idaho 1980)http://webservices.lexisnexis.com/lx1/caselaw/freecaselaw?action=OCLGetCaseDetail&format=FULL&sourceID=baicf&searchTerm=eWYh.hGWa.UYGY.UciK&searchFlag=y&l1loc=FCLOW
« on: November 28, 2011, 02:05:32 PM »
What other state bar did you pass? Are you licensed in that state? Is your LLD program online as well?
Forgive me, but you two look like your are misunderstanding each other. Neither one comes of as hostile to me and I sense an unnecessary escalation.
I didn't think anyone has been licensed from an online school outside of Cali, either. I knew it was theoretically possible, but not that it had been done. Its a huge boot for the legitimacy of online schools, huge.
5 years as a California attorney regardless of law school and you can motion into the DC bar with no problem:What are the eligibility requirements to apply for admission without examination?
There are two provisions:
a. Having been a member in good standing of a Bar of a court of general jurisdiction in any state or territory of the United States for a period of five years immediately preceding the filing of your application.
b. Having been awarded a J.D. or LL.B. degree from a law school which, at the time of the awarding of the degree, was approved by the American Bar Association; having been admitted to the practice of law in any state or territory of the United States upon the successful completion of a written bar examination, with a scaled score of 133 or more on the Multistate Bar Examination (MBE) which the state or territory deems to have been taken as part of such examination, and a 75 scaled score on the Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination (MPRE). http://www.dcappeals.gov/dccourts/appeals/coa/faq.jsp
The other bar exam is the England & Wales QLTS which requires two years practice experience. The QLTS is still evolving having replaced the QLTT which was a three day open book bar exam! California attorneys however qualify for the QLTS.
I believe California also has reciprocity with the QLTT bar exam for Ireland with 1 years experience:http://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/education/qltt/certofeligform.pdf
It also looks like one can motion in Iowa after ten years experience.
LLD is what they call external through UNISA - University of South Africa.
« on: November 28, 2011, 09:27:00 AM »
As a matter of fact I did get a correspondence school JD, have passed two bars including California, am a member of three major bars and dozen minor ones, am a LLD candidate (student), and instruct online. You say you want to discuss cases but all you offer are unsupported conclusions and opinion. First thing you do with an outliar state court case like Ross is Sheperdize it to see if any other court has cited it for good or bad. Secondly, Ross as a state court case cannot be a binding precedent outside Massachusetts.
« on: November 27, 2011, 05:31:51 PM »
Got any citations to support that interesting proposition? I don't think you are correct.
« on: November 27, 2011, 11:22:29 AM »
Here's a case that should be of interest - Mitchell v. Bar Examinershttp://www.suffolk.edu/sjc/archive/opinions/SJC_10157.pdf
Does this case have any application elsewhere or is it limited to Massachusetts residents like Mitchell?
Has the case been successfully cited as precedent or at least as an influential case elsewhere?
« on: November 23, 2011, 10:19:02 PM »
Why is anyone entitled to a job? You have a license to practice, get off you lazy behinds and go to work. Take a weekend seminar, buy some practice books and you are good to go with
Social Security Disability, Workers Comp, or Immigration. Go hang out at the courts and pick up the conflict public defender cases, juvenile or child custody cases nobody wants.
You will do a Hell of a lot better for people and society in general than at some law firm catering to corporations and the fees start to roll ion after a while. The work is also 100% more interesting.
« on: November 23, 2011, 05:15:14 PM »
A specialized LLM in Tax might worth it but if it were an online I am not sure it would add much unless you acquired practice experience first.
« on: November 23, 2011, 05:13:18 PM »
Use some common sense, call the LLM department at NYU and ask to speak to the graduate advisor or department chair. First thing I'd ask point blank is if a non JD can be admitted to the program. Personally, I'd assume a JD would be the usual prerequisite for a LLM unless told otherwise.
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