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A PhD is not what you need, that is more an academic degree. A Masters in Legal Studies can be obtained from an accredited online school like Kaplan University if you think you need training in the law. An unaccredited JD however will just empty your wallet and be viewed with suspicion.

Waste of time and money, non bar law degrees are a joke IMO.

Online Law Schools / Re: FYLSX Statistics Posted
« on: February 01, 2012, 07:13:01 PM »
The exams are finite, memorize a couple good Gilbert outlines cover to cover and know how to brief a case. Correspondence law school is essentially a reading list. If you want more trappings and bells and whistles, Concord can offer that. Correspondence law school is better suited to someone who already has had exposure to the legal system via law enforcement, as a paralegal, etc.

Online Law Schools / Re: FYLSX Statistics Posted
« on: January 31, 2012, 06:30:45 PM »
Not sue I follow your question - correspondence study would have more emphasis on memorization and less interaction with a program because of its design.

Online Law Schools / Re: FYLSX Statistics Posted
« on: January 30, 2012, 04:41:15 PM »
FYBE is always a 20% pass rate or thereabouts. The chambers/offices people are outliars since they likely know quite a bit about the law already.  Correspondence should always be a little higher because it consists of pure memorization which is the key to passing bars.

You obviously have not attended law school, common sense and law are mutually exclusive.

Nope each and every federal court and agency (if applicable) has its own rules.  The good news is that DL degree holders who pass the Cal Bar can join many of them on motion.

Most federal district courts restrict bar membership to in state attorneys, some require co-counsel on cases, the minority permit out of state attorneys to become members, ND Illinois, USDC North Dakota, USDC Puerto Rico come to mind.  The Circuit Courts of Appeals are more liberal. But even though I can represent a client in the 11th Circuit in Atlanta, I cannot set up an office there because I am not a Georgia attorney. For a single case, pro hac vice is always available but that usually but not always requires local counsel. And therein lies the idiocy of the entire scheme, the higher the court, the less thaty are concerned about your law degree or where your state bar membership is from.

There is a lawsuit in California ongoing about this:

You can do Vets, Tax, and Social Security advocacy now without a law license to one degree or another. Once you have the law license from California, even though you are in federal administrative practice, the Washington state bar may take a dim view of you opening an office and advertising as an attorney with only a California license.  This is a very gray area if you intend to have a physical presence in Washington. Since you would be competing with Washington licensed lawyers in the same field, eventually you will be subject to to a UPL (unlicensed practice of law) referal to the state bar. So instead of being outside the box, you will be in the box unless you plan accordingly and do your due diligence to avoid such issues.  But the issue arises all the time - one just needs to be aware how to avoid it.

Taft GPA was 2.79 but maybe that was before everyone expected an A or a B by right.  The only testing as I remember it were proctored essay tests.

what do you consider a low GPA? It couldn't have been too bad if you got into additional grad programs after that.
It is interesting that GPA seems not to have a direct link to bar pass rates. Do you think there is any reason why? Is it different types of testing involved?

I added the extra credentials because I moved away from California and couldn't get admitted anywhere except DC.  Works for me.  I did the DL route because I tried law school and hated it with a passion.  The lectures caused me mental anguish. Then I saw how lawyers did less work and got paid more, so gave DL a try. My GPA was ridiculously low at Taft but I had no problem with FYBE and Bar.

DL students fail for several reasons:

1.  lack of time commitment
2.  lack of basic reading and writing skills
3.  inability to memorize and retain information
4.  lack of previous exposure to the legal system

Successful DL grads likely would for the most part of have been admitted to a regular law school.

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