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« on: December 31, 2011, 07:37:31 PM »
I think any 9-12 month degree could be questionnable. LLMs differ from country to country, some are two year programs like a true Masters degree. if they plan on practising in the EU, I'd steer clear of a US online degree and look at University of London instead:http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/prospective_students/postgraduate/laws/index.shtml
They may want to post this question in the LLM forum.
« on: December 31, 2011, 10:42:30 AM »
Zepp, you are trying to compare apples and peanuts here. Obviously, students who attend a DL law school are aware they can only take the California Bar. DL schools regardless of curriculum are going to attact statistical outliars and a lot of failures who have no business being in law school. A DL school at present is basically a glorified reading list, it has nothing to do with what goes on a law school. However reading for law is a traditional and proven method of passing the bar. Since students already have a undergrad degree, so if they choose to read for the bar exam, what is the problem?
The English who have been practising law a lot longer than we have, have no problem with an external LLB.http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/prospective_students/undergraduate/panel/law/about_qld.shtml
The answer here is for the ABA mossbacks to accept online education and let the well endowed ABA schools offer external JDs. This is the 21st Century, we have the technology available to replace the "sage on the stage with the guide on the side." But it takes money and aside from Washington Posts's Concord, no one has the money to make that sort of investment in a school that can only churn out California lawyers who then get blocked by ABA Luddites at every step.
« on: December 31, 2011, 10:22:36 AM »
Just find your community. Greatly appreciate, very informative. I am looking for a postgraduate online education for foreigners. My daughter has just compete her LLM and would like to specialize in IP and Internet property.
Not clear to me what the goal is? Are you going to practice in the EU or US? Many of the US online LLMs are questionnable as far as accredidation.
« on: December 30, 2011, 08:01:14 PM »
OK, I'll turn in my law licenses, your flawless logic has convinced me of my errors...
« on: December 28, 2011, 06:58:53 PM »
I have a PhD in Political Science and am a lawyer. I practice law and am adjunct faculty. My advice is go for the tenure track job, history jobs are even scarcer than law jobs. If you don't get tenure then switch to law. While starting university salaries are low they go up after a while, you get good benefits, a pension plan, and once you get tenure chances at free travel to conferences, sabbaticals, and a reduced teaching schedule. It also is less work than law and more enjoyable. Besides why would you want to rack up more debt or take yourself out of the job market when you could be arning money?
« on: December 26, 2011, 07:07:25 PM »
Looked kind of lame to me.
« on: December 24, 2011, 08:42:42 PM »
But, the point is - it's NOT fruitless, people at graduating from Dl schools, passing the bar, AND practicing law successfully. It's folks like yourself who refuse to accept that IT IS POSSIBLE and SHOULD be considered in the mix. As I have stated before, there should a set of standards for licensure - like the bar exam - but how one gets there to take the exam should not be dictated by one "sanctioned" entity,
Exactly 100% correct, the bar exam makes the attorney not the JD, it really seems it is unconsitutional for a private guild to block access to the Judicial branch. The state bars are largely provincial tools of the ABA. DL attorneys, even only a handful, prove the point.
« on: December 24, 2011, 11:19:53 AM »
Anybody know how many California and Alabama attorneys graduated from non ABA schools? That would be the natural constituency to start an alternative ABA from.
« on: December 24, 2011, 09:57:48 AM »
As far as I know California, is the only state that recognizes online or correspondence law schools for an initial bar exam. More states should do so, that would solve the problem of the ABA death grip. The DL haters like to point to Orly Taitz however she litigates only a single issue and really does not have a law practice. She was a candidate for California Secretary of State and is running for the Senate. She was sanctioned one-time by a federal judge who in my opinion dodn't exactly adhere to the federal rules in doing so. She is not disbarred or disciplined. pretty good for super high risk in your face litigation. I might point out Melvin Belli, Tony Serra and F. Lee Bailey had their issues with state bars as well. Great attorneys all!
What is everyone so afraid of anyway. A few more DL attorneys here and there? Or does the ABA fear having its death grip broken?
« on: December 23, 2011, 07:25:12 PM »
"If someone sues a large corporation for $4999 in small claims court, do you think the corporation gets a break on attorney fees because it's only $4999?"
Have you ever tried to sue a large corporation in small claims or any other court and have them pop open a check book? They have insurance dude and the insurer has attorneys on retainer, it doesn't cost the corporation anything more than what they paid already and the insurer doesn't care either as long as they can teach someone not to mess with them, they don't care how much it costs to defend. I did sue Ford once, they settled only becuaue their insurance retained attorney missed the filing deadline and defaulted, the judge told them to go settle, otherwise I am sure they would have been only to glad to spin it out. Somehow I don't think you are a member of the plaintiffs' bar. Under your scenario we would all get rich slowly suing corporations in small claims court for a third of the take.
Further, I still get the feeling you think most plaintiffs sue corporations for fun rather than because they have legitimate case. Vexatious litigants are quite rare since inmates had their access to federal court trimmed.
And I still don't get your argument about how DL schools lower standards, everyone still has to pass the same bar exam and in the end, passing the bar is all that counts and the difference between a law book salesman and an attorney unless you go to Harvard in which case you can become a law professor if you can't pass the bar.
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