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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Kill All the Law Schools
« on: January 17, 2012, 11:00:25 AM »
Since polticians tend to be lawyers don't except anything to pass that would lower legal fees and lower their standard of living. Toss in that all judges are lawyers(obviously) and see the result when taken to court if law did pass.

Quite true but it is a sensible opinion and if it is being aired in the WSJ, it may have some support from the businness sector which is sick and tired of getting overcharged by big law firms. The ABA could be counted on to fight such a horrendous development tooth and nail.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Kill All the Law Schools
« on: January 17, 2012, 10:57:56 AM »
I absolutely oppose any apprenticeship requirement.  When that is implemented, only children of lawyers will be able to become lawyers.

Seems to work in England. I suspect much of the apprecticeship could be done with the government which is after all the largest employer of attorneys and not individuals who hire their children who would be at best 1%-5% of the total. It would be a boon to corporations and law firms who could get talent for a minimal wage and possibly retain the ones who work out well in their training program.

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Since it uses a CA mailing address wouldn't that be standing to do file a claim in federal  court ?

You mean jurisdiction not standing.

Collecting the judgment has nothing to with either, it is how you get paid which one likely wouldn't under this hypothetical because the defendants would likely just be scofflaws who would set up shop the next day under another name.

Many people are under the assumption that courts enforce civil judgments, they can be used to help collect, but we do not have debtors' prison and deadbeats, including a lot of people with credit card debt judgments, never pay.

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are there any states that would? all that is needed is 1 state..esp. since this school has been approved by the state.

Was Barkley approved by the state of Kentucky? I saw nothing in your original post that indicated that - if so it is a state accredited school non ABA school.  I think the first step then is to confirm with the Kentucky Bar Examiners or whoever accredits law schools in Kentucky that this is true and get something in writing from the State of Kentucky.

With that letter hand you can then check the bar admission rules for each and every US state and territory regarding state accredited non ABA schools as opposed to non state accredited non ABA schools which are the DL schools we deal with this in this forum  - good luck.

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You know, you can look that up yourself by doing a Google for Alabama Bar Examiners and checking the rules yourself.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Maine
« on: January 17, 2012, 09:55:50 AM »
No petition is easy and I doubt Maine would grant it for a non resident in any event.

WHAT IF I ATTENDED A NON-ABA ACCREDITED LAW SCHOOL?

Maine Bar Admission Rule 10 (c) (3)) requires that applicants who graduate from a non-ABA accredited program must be admitted and practice in a jurisdiction for three years before they are eligible to sit for the Maine bar. MBAR 10(c)(3). Graduates of the Massachusetts School of Law are eligible to sit for the Maine bar exam if they have been admitted in Massachusetts and file a certificate of good standing with the Board:


(3) graduated from a law school accredited by the United States jurisdiction in
which it is located and has been admitted to practice by examination in one or more
jurisdictions within the United States and has been in active practice there for at least
3 years

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California DL grads can take the NM Bar if they are attorneys.

"Applicants from other law schools should have been engaged in the practice of law in another state or states for at least four (4) of the six (6) years immediately preceding his/her application for admission to practice in New Mexico.  Such an applicant should have been in good standing in such state or states."

be aware that New Mexico is very strict about interpreting the practice requirement, they expect you to physically practice in the state in which you are licensed.  They may not accept simply applying that state's law and are holding up a Taft grad who passed their bar for what is essentially a bogus reason, since one need not be physically anywhere to practice law full time, apparently NM has never heard of federal practice that permits any lawyer to practice nationwide in federal courts and before federal agencies which have their own various bar rules on who can practice.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Kill All the Law Schools
« on: January 17, 2012, 09:44:24 AM »
The Wall Street Journal OpEd is suggesting we bring back the Bachelors in Law and get rid of the ABA law schools, I agree:


OPINION
 JANUARY 17, 2012
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First Thing We Do, Let's Kill All the Law Schools

Allowing undergraduate law majors to take the bar exam would increase the number of attorneys and lower legal fees..

By JOHN O. MCGINNIS
AND RUSSELL D. MANGAS

Over three years, tuition at a law school can exceed $150,000. Even this princely sum does not capture the full cost. During the time spent at these schools, most students could have earned substantial income. A recent analysis by Herwig Schlunk of Vanderbilt University suggests that for bright students with attractive career opportunities, the total cost of law school is closer to $275,000.

The high cost of graduate legal education limits the supply of lawyers and leads to higher legal fees. And higher fees place legal services out of the reach of middle-income families at a time when increasing complexity demands more access to these services. In short, the current system leaves citizens underserved and young lawyers indebted.

Some have argued that to reduce costs states should simply drop their educational requirements, policing lawyer quality through bar exams, if at all. But the requirement of a legal education can serve important public needs.

First, most citizens, particularly the less educated, do not know much about law and have difficulty evaluating the skill of individual lawyers. Some education in law makes it more likely that a lawyer will be competent. Second, educated lawyers provide a public good. In the United States, most important political questions become legal questions. Educated lawyers can supply a deeper social understanding that informs political policy-making.

Here is a straightforward solution: States should permit undergraduate colleges to offer majors in law that will entitle graduates to take the bar exam. If they want to add a practical requirement, states could also ask graduates to serve one-year apprenticeships before becoming eligible for admission to the bar.....
 
Full article in today's WSJ.

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Good luck.

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But sorry what is a blue collar attorney, is that an attorney who represents people instead of big corporations?

Shingle outside of door?  That is so 1991.  Website on Internet is where its at.

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