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No matter what the rubric is - essay question grading is subjective.  Additionally, the passing cut off on other portions can be jacked up as opposed to other states.  Do they manipulate it, sure they do, that's why the pass rate is lower than other states. 

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Model answers may have nothing to do with passing.  It just seems curious that from year to year, 80% of the FYLSE takers fail and the general Cal Bar pass rate never seems to get above 60%.  On the other hand in some states, the bar pass rate is always 80-90% - seems to me those failed FYLSE takers might have succeeded in another state had they that option.  Too bad lawyers suck at math (except for billing); this could use some quantitative analysis.

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No, you missed the point. It's not the questions, it is the grading and the curve which is controlled by the CalBar.

For example, if it is predetermined there will be only a 20% pass, only those students in the top 20% will pass; the other 80% will fail regardless whether their answers would have satisified exams at a law school.

While T/F and multiples should be straight forward, essay question grading is arcane and subjective.  Some jurisdictions like DC and California have consistently low pass rates cause by essay question grading practices. 

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I also wonder if the State Bar stacks the deck, the pass rate never seems to go above 20%.  I wonder if the Cal Bar is purposely fiddling with the grading curve to maintain this low pass rate?

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The Concord results are not encouraging; Concord has the resources to get most students through this test.  This would indicate the Concord students themselves are somehow deficient in their study habits or simply lacking basic skills. such as writing and memorization.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 18, 2013, 01:03:44 PM »
Good luck, Big Daddy.  Please keep us posted on your experience.

Putting in the time is the key. Also don't expect high grades from Taft just give it 100% effort.  The GPA is irrelevant; I graduated with under 3.0 and passed the Cal Bar on the first go.

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We have had a long thread on this - a California admitted DL school attorney can surely get admitted in only three other non federal jurisdictions by rights - DC after 5 years by motion, England & Wales upon satisfying the QLTS, and Ireland by passing the QLTT.  It may be possible in Iowa, New Mexico and a few others with special circumstances but I don't know of anyone who actually succeeded. If you have to resort to a petition, the odds are really against you. People here talk about petitioning a state Supreme Court like it is a routine deal; it surely is not and they don't know what they are talking about it unless they have tried it.  The few petitions by DL students that have succeeded are really one off affairs and likely can be counted on one hand.

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I understand the limitations of a DL school.  In my situation, I have been negotiating contracts for several years and work in an environment where everyone that performs my job is an attorney, making me the only one who isn't.  Now, you could spin this is as a good thing, but it is my opinion, my credibility with my peers is low since people view me as a "non-attorney who doesn't know the law."  I am looking to attend a DL to gain that education. I am not interested in practicing law and beening licensed in CA would not affect my job status or abilities.  Also, I live in KY and there is only three brick and mortar schools.  Only one is close and doesn't have a part-time or evening program.  So for me, its about logistics.

Here is some good advice, I am an attorney, graduated from Taft and instruct at online schools in addition to practicing law.  Under no condition enter a JD program  without intending to become an attorney. far from being respected by your peers,  professionals like attorneys will peg you a pretentious wannabe attorney with an online degree.  By all means go to a California DL school but to continue past year one, you need to pass the baby bar, and after that ordeal which only has a 20% pass rate or so, it makes no sense not to continue to the California bar.  The non bar JD programs in my opinion are a total waste of money as they almost always unaccredited and again will simply raise red flags in the long run..

If you want a professional fully accredited degree w/out becoming an attorney it is called a MA or MS in Legal Studies and can be obtained online from regionally accredited schools like Kaplan.

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0% pass rate in five years says it all - try a DL Law School that actually graduates lawyers like Taft or Concord which also have some recognition for their JDs by other academic institutions should Plan A fail.

On the plus side, AHU has unlimited upside potential.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: August 02, 2013, 09:04:26 PM »
Some of the California distance learning and correspondence law degrees are recognized by other academic instutions - Taft, California Southern, Southwestern, and Henley-Putnam are accredited by DETC.
Even if one does not pass the bar - the degree has some recognition as opposed to ones that don't or like MA$L never will.



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