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L.L.M. Board / Re: Getting ABA after the bar.
« on: July 13, 2012, 09:06:34 PM »
If you want a ABA degree, go to a ABA law school outside California.  They will accept you even if you are a California attorney already with a non ABA degree.  Do not expect any credit for prior work but it may be negotiable. I had the same problem after moving from California but I could not stomach the idea of going to law school again, so I got a PhD in international law instead.

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After year one take the FYBE, if you pass, continue for three more years and take the California bar.  Four years total plus a bar review.  You are looking at around a 20% historic pass rate on the FYBE, so the odds are 5-1 to one against right out of the box and then a lot of students drop through attrition.

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Most online grads who are lawyers practice in California or go for some form of federal practice. You can motion into the DC bar after five years.  You can also take the English QLTS after two years because England has a reciprocity agreement with California, same with the Ireland QLTT. You will not be welcomed in any other state besides California and DC. One Concord grad got into Massachusetts because he petitioned the state supreme court and had strong connections to the state, I think a Taft grad got admitted in Idaho, another Taft grad I know was hung out to dry by New Mexico. As for other states like Wisconsin, while admission may be possible, I think the stories are anecdotal.  Just becuase an admission in a state is theoretically possible, without a very strong connection to a state, it is all but impossible.  In 20 years of practice, I have worked with and encountered exactly two online grads.

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"Any attorney that doesn't respect an opposing counsel is probably going to get their ass handed to them."

ROTFL - apparently you are not acquainted with insurance company retained defense lawyers.

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Any attorney who has five years good standing can get admitted to the US Supreme Court as long as they are breathing, that is a non achievement.
Concord's PR department paints a rosy picture but the reality is much different.

But passing the bar with an online degree is a great achievement given the odds are about 10-1 against (a lot of students washout at FYBL or just quit). If you can pass the bar, you can handle solo practice, just don't expect any respect from other attorneys.


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You will not get hired if you are an online grad, you can however get an appointment as a conflict public defender if you can convince a judge you are competent. But you may need malpractice insurance.  Online grads are not going to be hired and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.  You either need a job lined up already or be ready to go it solo.

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In your experience, do most of the students at Concord plan on becoming solo practitioners? If not, does Concord help its students out with placement, or help you get in touch with alumni? Just curious. My own school had a pretty abyssmal career services office, we were pretty much left on our own.

I doubt any online school could do much in the way of job placement since its graduates are usually going to be disqualified from most public employment with non ABA degrees.  Online students are going to be solo or two person firm practitioners by default.

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The colder the climate and further north, the easier it may be to get into law school.

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After reading the ABA materials it does look like certain top Canadian and English law schools enjoy recognition from a few state bars like New York but that other requirements may still apply. The external law program (online) from London University is not one of those that enjoy automatic recognition.

But any non US law school is almost certainly going to have tougher admission standards for a non citizen than an online US law school.

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Taking one class at a time allows a student to familiarize themselve with new concepts, very useful if you have no previous legal frame of reference.

Well, yeah, but hey zeus marimba, how long do you want this process to take?  One class at a time?  3 classes a year?  It would take a decade to finish law school that way.

True and the student will likely have forgotten civil procedure, torts and contracts by the time they get their degree!

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