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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Legal Consultant Exam
« on: April 23, 2012, 09:32:39 AM »
"Someone with a non-ABA degree is essentially a paralegal."

If they have a law license they are an attorney, if they don't, they are not a paralegal by default unless they actually work as a paralegal, usually in a law office.

I might add many paralegals hold a MSLS (Masters in Legal Studies) from regionally accredited schools.  If I were hiring paralegals that is the qualification plus experience I would look at and I would still be dubious of online schools even if they are regionally accredited.





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L.L.M. Board / Re: Perks to an LLM
« on: April 23, 2012, 09:24:07 AM »
I already do.  Anyone with 2 years PQE from certain states like California can take the bar exam for England and Wales.  The former QLTT which I took was a three day open book exam in New York. Surprisingly there were only three or four other takers.  They now have a new exam called the QLTS which I am unaware of.  Ireland offers a similar QLTT exam for California attorneys.  Not all state bars have a relationship with these countries' law societies though.

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L.L.M. Board / Re: LLM or MBA?
« on: April 23, 2012, 09:20:15 AM »
JD is the highest US professional degree in law, there is a LLM  for foreign law school graudates that permits them to take the bar.  The other LLMs are quicky specialty degrees like tax.  The highest academic degree would be the equivalent to a PhD in Law or a foreign LLD but those are not on a professional track. 

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Online Law School for Wisconsin Bar
« on: April 18, 2012, 09:33:27 AM »
The online law school will work initially only for the California Bar, what you can do after that depends on your skill in navigating the arcane rules of other state bars.

Online law school students generally are substandard because no one in their right mind is going to put all that extra time, effort and money into to getting a degree that is only recognized in a few jurisdictions.

If ABA schools were to offer accredited online programs that paradigm would change.

However, overpaid law professors are not going to go quietly itno the night since online classes do not require $125,000 a year profs to facilitate.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Legal Consultant Exam
« on: April 17, 2012, 10:29:32 PM »
Trial strategy and legal memoranda? Why would a lawyer want advice from someone who is not a lawyer and has never been one on how to "strategize at trial" or write a letter?  If you want to learn trial strategy, learn from a winner, Gerry Spence runs a school:

http://www.triallawyerscollege.com/

Trial strategy and legal memoranda are normally directed at attorneys.

A legal consultant who seeks out lay people will not even be working very long.  Consumers want to know what you can do for them.  If you cannot represent them before a judge,  they will find out.  Legal work is results oriented.  If you cannot provide results, making a living will be difficult.  Now, intentional misrepresentation is a different matter.  Calling yourself an attorney when you are not licensed is not what I am talking about here. 

Assisting someone with his Chapter 7/13 petition is legal consultation.  Appearing with someone before an IRS agent, as an enrolled agent, is legal consultation.  Think outside the box, while following all the rules.

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L.L.M. Board / Re: LLM or MBA?
« on: April 17, 2012, 10:23:12 PM »
MBA would not be worth the extra effort if you are going to practice law.  The LLM is of dubious value as well since the JD is considered the highest professional degree in law.

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L.L.M. Board / Re: Perks to an LLM
« on: April 17, 2012, 10:21:30 PM »
I'm working on a foreign LLD, the perk is that it outranks in a PhD in the Commonwealth countries and establishes on was a bonified expert. Leiden offers a LLM as do a few other schools. 

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Taft or Concord Law School
« on: April 17, 2012, 09:40:23 PM »
Either one is fine if you want a California law license.  Taft traditionally gives low grades, I graduated with something like a 2.79 and passed the bar on the first go.  Your odds of actually getting through such a program are about 10-1 against though.  The Feds or State will not likely hire you though you can likely work as contract Public defender. As for getting jobs, be ready to fly solo unless you have relatives in the business.  If it is geographically possible to attend an ABA or non ABA state accredited law school, do so instead.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Limited Licenses
« on: April 17, 2012, 09:30:55 PM »
The correct term is Pro Hac Vice.  The original poster had some delusional idea they could be a lawyer without passing the bar, I believe they were not a Distance Learning Grad but a non ABA law school grad whose Kentucky law school went under without getting accreditation leaving them unable to take the bar in any state.



The only limited license I know of is typically between neighboring states.  You can apply to practice in a state you are not licensed in on a case by case basis.  Oddly, many neighboring states don't have reciprocity and an attorney may have cross over responsibilities. Hence the need for a limited license.

Of course, you must pass a bar in your own state and cannot abuse it.  All this tax and immigration stuff referenced isn't relevant.  Its a bar licensing thing, not a specialty thing.  It can also be granted to a law student to practice under supervision, typically at DA or PD offices. 

You should be taught this in law school, not trying to be arrogant or rude, but shi.t people this is day one. Do online schools not teach this?  That's kind of scary.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Limited Licenses
« on: April 17, 2012, 09:26:31 PM »
Washington state has a Limited Practice Officer program.

Yes Limited Practice Officer, that is what the other 49 states call an Escrow Officer but it is not a law license.

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