« on: July 16, 2012, 11:34:57 AM »
I am under the impression the online schools are not state accredited, they are registered with the state. The state accredited law schools are not online.
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« on: July 15, 2012, 08:12:11 PM »
Things have changed since then. Did they have the Blackboard when you were going, calgal? Their videos are nothing to rave about. I didn't bother with them. Same with the CDs. But their online chats & video chats are terrific. Jeff Fleming now works for NWCU too & he comes to some of the video chats. Lots of fun There is both a text and video chat for each level. When BabyBar is coming up they put on special chats for the takers to participate in.
Fleming is or was the system that successful online students use to study for the bar sice at least the late 1980s.
« on: July 15, 2012, 08:06:32 PM »
BTW, there is a lot of talk about if someone goes to an online school they won't be able to get a job. Many threads by grads of traditional schools focus on getting a job. Can get, hope to get, can't get. A job.
Not so sure that PDs without experience and an online degree will be hired. PD is an in demand job if it has benefits.
« on: July 15, 2012, 10:28:38 AM »
... You can also take the English QLTS after two years because England has a reciprocity agreement with California, same with the Ireland QLTT. You will not be welcomed in any other state besides California and DC.
Go to law school first, pass the Cal bar, then have 2 years PQE, sign up, pay the fees, pass the exams:
« on: July 14, 2012, 10:22:19 AM »
You know what I found interesting. There is an attorney in my area that is very well known and he has a great reputation. He graduated from a tier one law school and he has been practicing law for a very long time. I was cruising around his website and noticed his son just joined his law firm. I was curious so I looked him up and it seems his son graduated from a non ABA school accredited by Cal-Bar. Being that the kid came from a family of attorney's will alot of money, but yet he didn't go the ABA . . . . . . very interesting.
If you are going to work for your Dad, as long as junior has a law license, his degree is irrelevant. But no one chooses non ABA, if they have money and ability. And choosing online is for those who either geographically can't attend a law school, can't get into one, or otherwise have issues with sitting in classes due to time contraints or disability. The only exception might be something like the external program at London University but in the US we do not have ABA law schools that also have online programs.
If you want a ABA degree, go to a ABA law school outside California. They will accept you even if you are a California attorney already with a non ABA degree. Do not expect any credit for prior work but it may be negotiable. I had the same problem after moving from California but I could not stomach the idea of going to law school again, so I got a PhD in international law instead.
« on: July 13, 2012, 09:01:03 PM »
After year one take the FYBE, if you pass, continue for three more years and take the California bar. Four years total plus a bar review. You are looking at around a 20% historic pass rate on the FYBE, so the odds are 5-1 to one against right out of the box and then a lot of students drop through attrition.
« on: July 13, 2012, 08:56:19 PM »
Most online grads who are lawyers practice in California or go for some form of federal practice. You can motion into the DC bar after five years. You can also take the English QLTS after two years because England has a reciprocity agreement with California, same with the Ireland QLTT. You will not be welcomed in any other state besides California and DC. One Concord grad got into Massachusetts because he petitioned the state supreme court and had strong connections to the state, I think a Taft grad got admitted in Idaho, another Taft grad I know was hung out to dry by New Mexico. As for other states like Wisconsin, while admission may be possible, I think the stories are anecdotal. Just becuase an admission in a state is theoretically possible, without a very strong connection to a state, it is all but impossible. In 20 years of practice, I have worked with and encountered exactly two online grads.
« on: July 13, 2012, 12:49:21 PM »
"Any attorney that doesn't respect an opposing counsel is probably going to get their ass handed to them."
ROTFL - apparently you are not acquainted with insurance company retained defense lawyers.
« on: July 12, 2012, 09:40:30 PM »
Any attorney who has five years good standing can get admitted to the US Supreme Court as long as they are breathing, that is a non achievement.
Concord's PR department paints a rosy picture but the reality is much different.
But passing the bar with an online degree is a great achievement given the odds are about 10-1 against (a lot of students washout at FYBL or just quit). If you can pass the bar, you can handle solo practice, just don't expect any respect from other attorneys.