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Online Law Schools / Re: Novus Law School
« on: September 07, 2012, 06:55:57 PM »
"They have the scales set up against them. Plus no curve online either. An 80% on campus in any curved 1L class is an A. Online it's a C. "

I always wondered why my Taft GPA was something like 2.8.

Online Law Schools / Re: California Southern University School of Law
« on: September 06, 2012, 07:55:16 PM »
Legal interns work under supervision and do some surprisingly good work but its not the same as being an attorney.  All those types of cases I mentioned do pay pretty well considering they are not all that complex.  The real issue is that you have to deal with a lot of upset people to earn your pay and not everyone is willing to do that.  Some solos do keep a loaded fire arm at hand just in case.  I've been punched, sued, threatened with death several times, and had a delusional client show up at my door with a loaded rifle.  Colleagues have been spit on and stabbed by their own clients.  I can't even remember half the stuff.

Online Law Schools / Re: California Southern University School of Law
« on: September 06, 2012, 12:38:33 PM »
All lawyers are not created equal and my experience is that you better be ready to start at the very bottom with a DL Degree - solo practice with very few lawyers willing to mentor till you prove yourself.  This involves taking cases others won't touch with a ten foot pole.  In California this means Social Security, Workers Comp, never ending cutody disputes, parole hearings and misdemeanors.

Online Law Schools / Re: California Southern University School of Law
« on: September 06, 2012, 11:24:36 AM »
I am a Taft grad and have been an attorney for 20 years.  The only reason these days to go with online is geographic or a disability that prevents one from attending classes.  I lived about 5 hours from the nearest law school and had a good job otherwise I would have attended night law school instead in San Francsco.  There is no time savings being online, what you save in commute and classes, you will lose in the extra year and all the additional studying required.

Roald's got it right: Lottery mentality, 5-1 odds against you is a bad bet out of the gate and the real odds are more like 20-1 since I suspect many students drop even before the First year Bar Exam.

Bar Pass rate is everything, if an online school does not have a proven track record of at least getting a few lawyers admitted every year forget them - not all these schools are created equal - Taft, Concord and some others have a half way decent record but the odds are still stacked against you.

Online Law Schools / Re: California Southern University School of Law
« on: September 05, 2012, 06:02:41 PM »
They are legit but they have an abysmal bar pass rate:

If you don't plan to move to California in the future, forget it.

If you want an online MSLS - get one from one of many regionally accredited schools like - Kaplan University.  Regional accreditation means it is a "real" degree just like Cal State etc., anything less than regional accreditation means you may have wasted your time and money on a piece of paper.  It is unclear to me if Cal Southern is regionally accredited or not.

A MSLS is essentially a fancy paralegal degree.  I am not sure why anyone would need a masters degree to be a paralegal but people do go for it.  Absent work experience, an online MSLS would be hard sell in today's economy to an employer.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Novus Law School
« on: September 05, 2012, 05:48:29 PM »
Novus is a notorius diploma mill:

Yet not a single state bar goes after them, I guess the state bars are too busy protecting us from properly licensed non ABA attorneys.

HBCU: Historically black colleges and universities

I agree, JDs are qualified to teach Legal Studies and not much else.  Criminal Justice, Public Law, Poli Sci, History, Public Administration require theoretical and research backgrounds that a JD alone surely does not provide.  Sure some colleges do hire JD's nonetheless if they have other experience but it is not a good practice.  I have seen JDs teaching Homeland Security courses but they usually have relevant exprience.  An EJD on the other hand is a non starter - a vanity degree at best.

If you go the distance learning route, you want a school that not only has a bar pass rate history but can point to actively practicing attorney grads - Concord and Taft can do that as can others.

Actually I have met faculty at a HBCU that had only a JD and also Community College faculty with just a JD, but not an online JD.

I am not impressed by AHU, I turned down an instructor's gig with them several years ago.  My guess is that they cater to foreign students  who do not know any better. 

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