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L.L.M. Board / Re: we should replace the JD with an LLM.
« on: August 03, 2014, 01:12:02 PM »
I still think a training contract in which a wage is paid is the way to go.  The government could soak up a lot of those contracts IMO.

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/careers/becoming-a-solicitor/training-contracts/


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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Practice of "Law" w/out a License
« on: August 03, 2014, 01:04:12 PM »
Yes, you have also got a whole field of Special Education Advocates.

Having a 4 year DL law degree would be a big plus; all these non attorney advocacy jobs rely very heavily on understanding and interpreting rules.  That is something a JD would be able to do while someone without a law degree would likely be ineffective at best.  They also all provide services that people need.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: ABA online law schools
« on: June 03, 2014, 05:37:59 AM »
Concord gets it regional accreditation through Kaplan University, both are aprt of Washington Post Corp.  I agree Concord is the only DL school with any muscle at all howver Kaplan has been under sustained attack for years now by the government and competitiors.  Too bad becuase I think Concord puts as much as more resources into its program as an ABA school.  Problem is the applicants - there are plenty who would opt for Conrod but for the lack of ABA accreditation and the practical lock out from almost all bars except California and DC.

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True there is no education requirement to be an  SSA advocate but it sure helps.  Besides being a lucrative field, it is one in which people are actually getting helped.  Same with Workers Comp and Veterans Disability.  A lot of attorneys still think these are "bottom feeder" fields - very, very wrong. These are among the most complex areas of the law, not the least.

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 Even licensed ABA grads get turned down for those jobs if they lack the experience or weren't the top 10% of their class.
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Why on earth would a DL graduate expect to be handed a job?  They shouldn't go that route if you expect a job at the end - you can expect to be gainfully self employed if you are willing to put in the effort though.

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Yes that would be true if one did not take initiative but NOSSCR offers training for SSA advocates.  A high school grad likely would not be able to handle the paperwork or rules involved.  SSA is actually one of the most complex areas of the law which is why few attorneys go there.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: July 2013 Bar Exam Results
« on: May 17, 2014, 08:58:21 PM »
Non ABA law students may have some effect on the cal bar pass rate but not enough to make a huge difference. California is acknowledged as a tough bar to pass.

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There are some nationwide Social Security Advocacy firms that apparently do well enough to advertise a lot.  They are regulated by SSA.  California requires Immigration Consultants to post bond. Public Notaries such as they exists in some states also provide independent paralegal services.  Given that lawyers have a lot more latitude to cheat clients and state bars are often indifferent regulators - as long as there is a need someone will provide the service.  My point is that most DL law students will fail to pass the California bar but they can still work in the legal system and provide services while turning a profit equal or better than a solo practitioner if they are good enough.

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L.L.M. Board / Re: we should replace the JD with an LLM.
« on: May 17, 2014, 08:50:58 AM »
No, only in Canada does the LLB require prior college; in the UK and elsewhere you go straight into the LLB from secondary school (high school).  A much better way option IMO than the JD which forces you to shell out for 7 years of college!  However to become a solicitor in England, you must usually complete a training contract which is also a good idea considering most new lawyers in the US learn on the job.

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Patent Agent is a good one.  With a JD, one can make some of these professions pay as well as a solo law practice.  Social Security Advocates charge the same as attorneys and there are numerous lawyers who have made a good living just confining their work to Social Security.  If I had a choice between a an advocate without a JD or a JD from a California registered online school, the latter might have an edge. A lot of California distance learning JDs will never pass the bar but that does not mean they are incompetent.

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