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Online Law Schools / Re: Online LLB
« on: November 04, 2012, 07:31:57 AM »
I can answer some of that since I am dually licnesed in the US and England:

1.  One needs to complete a Training Contract with a LLB before one can be licensed as an English solcitor.

2.  Based on the UoL info,  it seems an online LLB plus a US LLM is sufficient to gain a bar ticket in a few states regardless of being licensed or not in a foreing country.

3.  February 2012 CalBar stats showed a 17% pass rate for applicants with foreign law degrees.

Now get this, with my California license and online bar degree, I had no problem getting an English solictor license via the QLTT (bar exam).

If you have 2 years experience as a California lawyer, check out the new QLTS process. No need to set foot in England just an exam in New York or elsewhere. The English practising license is very handy even if one never sets foot in England.  Permits one for example to practise before the EU General Court, European Court of Human Rights etc. and act as a commissioner for oaths.
You can also qualify as a solcitior or barrister in several of the British overseas territories - TCI, Grand Cayman, BVI, Falklands etc

Online Law Schools / Online LLB
« on: November 03, 2012, 08:45:35 PM »
Well here it is in black and white, yes you can qualify in California and elsewhere with an online LLB and LLM.

I find it all very distasteful - New York will accept a foreign online LLB/LLM student but refuses to permit qualified California lawyers with a California online degree to take the New York bar.

With all due respect to the University of London, English law is quite different from American law.

Secondly, how can new New York justify refusing to let California attorneys take their bar because they have an online degree yet let foreign online students and lawyers take the same bar?

But again I ask the question - is there even one California attorney who obtained a LLB online and then passed the bar w/o becoming a solicitor in England first?

And if you do get a bar ticket, you have a 17% chance of passing according to the 2012 statisitics:


"Yes, they are people that have taken the distance learning route in foreign law school plus a LLM from a ABA school that are lawyers."

1.  You cannot name a single lawyer who went this route

2.   You are incorrect, foreign law school graduates absent a foreign license to practice, will be looked at carefully - otherwise why not go to school in Zimbabwe or Nigeria, that's even cheaper and the common law?

3.  Bar examiners don't get caught up in the rules?  You've got to be kidding.

Are you able to point us to one attorney in the United States who obtained an online LLB, who did not qualify as a solicitor first, and then was admitted in the US on the strength of an online LLM?  If such a person exists, UofL or Northumbria should be able to supply their name(s) since bar membership in the US is a public record.

It says foreign lawyers not law students:

"ABA Journal article published in 2012 - short article on Online University of Washington LLM program in American Legal studies.  The Online LLM program is set to launch in 2013.  Newspaper article says Online LLM program will probably allow graduates to take California bar.  Online Program doesn't launch till 2013,

My experience with Bar Examiners or their equivalent  abroad is that if there is an issue open to interpretation, it can and will be construed against the Applicant much of the time. And if the applicant is from out of jurisdiction, make that 90% of the time.

The poster seemed to brush this suggestion aide which leaves me scratching my head:

Rule 4.33 Evaluation of study completed or contemplated
An applicant may request that the Committee determine whether general or legal education contemplated or completed by the applicant meets the eligibility requirements of these rules for beginning the study of law, the First-Year Law Students’ Examination or the California Bar Examination. The request must be submitted on the required form with certified transcripts and the fee set forth in the Schedule of Charges and Deadlines.
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A written response indicating whether or not the education is sufficient will be issued within sixty days of receipt of the request.

Before sinking 3 years into a program in England, surely one might be a wee bit curious if the Bar examiners would accept it first.

If I were a bar examiner, I'd surely want to know if the applicant was a US citizen or foreign national, and why they went to a foreign DL law school instead of a California one.  Was it to avoid the FYSLE for example?  And then going to a LLM online, yes indeed I'd be skeptical.  At the very least, I'd have them take the FYLSDE just to make sure everthing was on the up and up.

No reference to the poster but foreign law degrees from certain countries would be entirely suspect altogether, it is not unusual for the sons of the very well to do in Eastern Europe and developing countries to simply purchase the degrees from the local university.

But  I like the idea, the LLB plus LLM allows one to go online and avoid the bias against california DL schools however in my experience if it seems to good to be true, it likely won't work.

Well good luck with that.  It would seem to be a better route than a California DL degree in my estimation.  If it doesn't work, you can always take a training contract and become a solicitor in England and then take the Cal Bar as well as a foreign attorney.

Only difference between the LLB and the JD, is that the LLB is an undergraduate degree.


"Obtain from a credential evaluation service approved by the
Committee a certificate that the applicant’s first degree in law is
substantially equivalent to a Juris Doctor degree awarded by a law
school approved by the American Bar Association or accredited by the

Since no correspondece or distance learning JD is approved by the ABA or accredited by the CalBar (the California ones are registered not accredited) , I wonder how a distance leaning LLB will go down?

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