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Online Law Schools / Re: Online LLB
« on: November 05, 2012, 02:20:49 PM »
QLTT was phased out in 2010 in favor of the QLTS. 

Becoming a barrister is possible but would involve a pupilage and going through the English Bar instead of the Law Society.

I approached the QLTT like a bar exam except that the law tested was similar but different from the US.  The open book aspect however made it possible to pass.

As I understand it, no more open book exams  (actually you could bring in any notes etc, books, whatever) with QLTS and no more test prep materials provided by the examiner.

Obviously it is still possible to become solicitor but not so easy anymore.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Online LLB
« on: November 05, 2012, 11:27:01 AM »
I took the predecessor test, the QLTT, it was a three day exam in New York. Pretty tough but it was open book and the study outlines provided were by the company giving the exam! The material tested was all new to me: legal accounting, ethics, property conveyancing, etc. 

Besides me there were never more than 4 other exam takers in the room, sometimes just  two others.

QLTS info is here:

http://www.qlts.co.uk/faq

Unfortunately, looks like you would have to go to the UK to take it.

Looks like they have erected more hurdles.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Online LLB
« on: November 04, 2012, 05:10:52 PM »
The whole thing makes no sense unless one becomes a solicitor first.  But as we have noted that is not going to happen without a training contract which is usually not going to be extended to a non EU citizen. 

On the other hand I would say that the online LLB is way better use of time than a EJD.  Even w/out the solicitor license, one has options:

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/careers/becoming-a-solicitor/alternative-careers/


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Online Law Schools / Re: Online LLB
« on: November 04, 2012, 07:31:57 AM »
I can answer some of that since I am dually licnesed in the US and England:

1.  One needs to complete a Training Contract with a LLB before one can be licensed as an English solcitor.

2.  Based on the UoL info,  it seems an online LLB plus a US LLM is sufficient to gain a bar ticket in a few states regardless of being licensed or not in a foreing country.

3.  February 2012 CalBar stats showed a 17% pass rate for applicants with foreign law degrees.

Now get this, with my California license and online bar degree, I had no problem getting an English solictor license via the QLTT (bar exam).

If you have 2 years experience as a California lawyer, check out the new QLTS process. No need to set foot in England just an exam in New York or elsewhere. The English practising license is very handy even if one never sets foot in England.  Permits one for example to practise before the EU General Court, European Court of Human Rights etc. and act as a commissioner for oaths.
You can also qualify as a solcitior or barrister in several of the British overseas territories - TCI, Grand Cayman, BVI, Falklands etc

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Online Law Schools / Online LLB
« on: November 03, 2012, 08:45:35 PM »
Well here it is in black and white, yes you can qualify in California and elsewhere with an online LLB and LLM.

http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/node/12648

I find it all very distasteful - New York will accept a foreign online LLB/LLM student but refuses to permit qualified California lawyers with a California online degree to take the New York bar.

With all due respect to the University of London, English law is quite different from American law.

Secondly, how can new New York justify refusing to let California attorneys take their bar because they have an online degree yet let foreign online students and lawyers take the same bar?

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But again I ask the question - is there even one California attorney who obtained a LLB online and then passed the bar w/o becoming a solicitor in England first?

And if you do get a bar ticket, you have a 17% chance of passing according to the 2012 statisitics:

http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/4/documents/Statistics/FEBRUARY2012STATS.pdf

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OK:

"Yes, they are people that have taken the distance learning route in foreign law school plus a LLM from a ABA school that are lawyers."

1.  You cannot name a single lawyer who went this route

2.   You are incorrect, foreign law school graduates absent a foreign license to practice, will be looked at carefully - otherwise why not go to school in Zimbabwe or Nigeria, that's even cheaper and the common law?

3.  Bar examiners don't get caught up in the rules?  You've got to be kidding.



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Are you able to point us to one attorney in the United States who obtained an online LLB, who did not qualify as a solicitor first, and then was admitted in the US on the strength of an online LLM?  If such a person exists, UofL or Northumbria should be able to supply their name(s) since bar membership in the US is a public record.

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It says foreign lawyers not law students:

"ABA Journal article published in 2012 - short article on Online University of Washington LLM program in American Legal studies.  The Online LLM program is set to launch in 2013.  Newspaper article says Online LLM program will probably allow graduates to take California bar.  Online Program doesn't launch till 2013,

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/washington_university_law_school_offers_online_ll.m._for_foreign_lawyers/

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My experience with Bar Examiners or their equivalent  abroad is that if there is an issue open to interpretation, it can and will be construed against the Applicant much of the time. And if the applicant is from out of jurisdiction, make that 90% of the time.

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