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« on: July 16, 2012, 10:06:11 PM »
Ever attended a California Community College? Trust me, it is not Harvard and the grads are not going to be successful in law school, online or otherwise. Someone who can't complete a BA is not going to usually have the self discipline to complete a 4 year distance learning program. Although I've met a few prison inmates who could do it but for the moral requirements.
« on: July 16, 2012, 10:02:01 PM »
It is a huge difference, but not entirely correct. There are a few states which will allow distance learning graduates to take the state bar, though they may have practice requirements before allowing them to do so. This has been discussed ad nauseam on here - do a search.
5 years practice and motion in to the DC bar but no one seems to understand that here. Iowa has a similar motion in with a few twists. Even if it is theoretically possible to take a bar in a few other states, they will make it difficult for you to qualify. Online grads are not welcome except in California and DC.
« on: July 16, 2012, 11:34:57 AM »
I am under the impression the online schools are not state accredited, they are registered with the state. The state accredited law schools are not online.
« on: July 15, 2012, 08:12:11 PM »
Things have changed since then. Did they have the Blackboard when you were going, calgal? Their videos are nothing to rave about. I didn't bother with them. Same with the CDs. But their online chats & video chats are terrific. Jeff Fleming now works for NWCU too & he comes to some of the video chats. Lots of fun There is both a text and video chat for each level. When BabyBar is coming up they put on special chats for the takers to participate in.
Who is Jeff Fleming? I was also thinking of attending this school, but only because of the cheap price, and no other reason. I do think an online law school should have either video or .mp3 voice lectures so we can listen to the teacher explain what we just read. If this school does not have them, then I won't be attending.
Fleming is or was the system that successful online students use to study for the bar sice at least the late 1980s.
« on: July 15, 2012, 08:06:32 PM »
BTW, there is a lot of talk about if someone goes to an online school they won't be able to get a job. Many threads by grads of traditional schools focus on getting a job. Can get, hope to get, can't get. A job.
A lawyer not being able to find a job has nothing to do with their online law J.D degree. There are lots of lawyers that attended brick and mortar ABA approved J.D programs that find can't work as lawyers either. If they can't a find work it's because they are not good writers or good public speakers. Most law firms will require a sample of the applicant's writing in addition to a face to face interview.
The new lawyers are failing the writing sample part of the interviews. Has nothing to do with where they attended law school.
I see ads in the online employment section all the time for associate attorneys. The employer does not care where you attended law school, he only cares whether you passed the state bar exam in that state. He would rather hire a licensed attorney that passed a state bar, and pay him/her the same money he would pay an unlicensed paralegal.
I think something is wrong with lawyers that say they can't find a job. If they can't find a job, then why not open up their own office and make their own job? As stated, their writing sample given to the employer is subpar and that is why they cant find a job.
The public defender office in every state are always hiring. However, they demand a writing sample.
Not so sure that PDs without experience and an online degree will be hired. PD is an in demand job if it has benefits.
« on: July 15, 2012, 10:28:38 AM »
... You can also take the English QLTS after two years because England has a reciprocity agreement with California, same with the Ireland QLTT. You will not be welcomed in any other state besides California and DC.
QLTS? Tell us more.
Go to law school first, pass the Cal bar, then have 2 years PQE, sign up, pay the fees, pass the exams:http://www.qlts.com/qlts-assessments
« on: July 14, 2012, 10:22:19 AM »
You know what I found interesting. There is an attorney in my area that is very well known and he has a great reputation. He graduated from a tier one law school and he has been practicing law for a very long time. I was cruising around his website and noticed his son just joined his law firm. I was curious so I looked him up and it seems his son graduated from a non ABA school accredited by Cal-Bar. Being that the kid came from a family of attorney's will alot of money, but yet he didn't go the ABA . . . . . . very interesting.
If you are going to work for your Dad, as long as junior has a law license, his degree is irrelevant. But no one chooses non ABA, if they have money and ability. And choosing online is for those who either geographically can't attend a law school, can't get into one, or otherwise have issues with sitting in classes due to time contraints or disability. The only exception might be something like the external program at London University but in the US we do not have ABA law schools that also have online programs.
« on: July 13, 2012, 09:06:34 PM »
If you want a ABA degree, go to a ABA law school outside California. They will accept you even if you are a California attorney already with a non ABA degree. Do not expect any credit for prior work but it may be negotiable. I had the same problem after moving from California but I could not stomach the idea of going to law school again, so I got a PhD in international law instead.
« on: July 13, 2012, 09:01:03 PM »
After year one take the FYBE, if you pass, continue for three more years and take the California bar. Four years total plus a bar review. You are looking at around a 20% historic pass rate on the FYBE, so the odds are 5-1 to one against right out of the box and then a lot of students drop through attrition.
« on: July 13, 2012, 08:56:19 PM »
Most online grads who are lawyers practice in California or go for some form of federal practice. You can motion into the DC bar after five years. You can also take the English QLTS after two years because England has a reciprocity agreement with California, same with the Ireland QLTT. You will not be welcomed in any other state besides California and DC. One Concord grad got into Massachusetts because he petitioned the state supreme court and had strong connections to the state, I think a Taft grad got admitted in Idaho, another Taft grad I know was hung out to dry by New Mexico. As for other states like Wisconsin, while admission may be possible, I think the stories are anecdotal. Just becuase an admission in a state is theoretically possible, without a very strong connection to a state, it is all but impossible. In 20 years of practice, I have worked with and encountered exactly two online grads.
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