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Before I would recommend spending three years on a program, I'd want something in writing not a phone conversation with someone who may not be there three years from now.  California has a procedure for getting approval of prospective alternative law studies why would you bypass it? Your logic is flawed.

Rule 4.33 Evaluation of study completed or contemplated
An applicant may request that the Committee determine whether general or legal education contemplated or completed by the applicant meets the eligibility requirements of these rules for beginning the study of law, the First-Year Law Students’ Examination or the California Bar Examination. The request must be submitted on the required form with certified transcripts and the fee set forth in the Schedule of Charges and Deadlines.
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A written response indicating whether or not the education is sufficient will be issued within sixty days of receipt of the request.

That was the whole answer from the Assistant Administrator School of Law.  Does not exactly inspire confidence but does indicate that the degree may be accepted by the NY Bar Examiners when coupled with a LLM.  I am a bit troubled that she refers to a UK law degree in general and not a Northumbria online LLB however.

New York is  a strong ABA state - I think I would think twice before trying an online LLB/LLM combo without becoming a solicitor first.

And again I would stress that English law (Northern Ireland and Scotland are different jurisdictions) does not actually equate to US law. The terms are familiar but the rules are often the opposite as here. Additionally, there is an emphasis on EU law, conveyancing, estates, accounting etc. which has little or no relevance at all to the US.  No US case law will be utlized at all. No Constitutional law.  Criminal and Torts will be different etc. If the goal is to pass the bar, looks like a foolish way to go given the problems with online learning to begin with.

On the other hand, I do think the online LLB would be an excellent degree for some one not actually practicing who needs a law degree as an alternative to a MBA.  The English online LLB will not carry the stigma a US online degree does.

I queried Northumbria about their online LLB being eleigible for the US bar, here is their answer:

You would be best advised to contact a University in the State in which you wish to practise in the US.  You can work in New York with a UK Law degree but you have to do their Bar exams first.  That doesn’t require a practising certificate for you to do them.  A search on the internet should give you the answer.

They seem to be saying you can take the New York Bar with online LLB from Northumbria, not a bad at all. I'd rather have the New York than California license any day and the bar will be marginally easier.

Correct, the prognosis is very poor for DL students who are not already working in a law related field like law enforcement, law office, the courts or a government agency.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: fields of study within law
« on: November 10, 2012, 05:02:35 PM »
MSL degree in Environmental or Public Policy Law.  Of course if you really want to help people, get a JD and pass the bar and then specialize in SSI, Workers Comp, Public defender and other fields many lawyers turn their noses up at that really help individuals.

The data on DL and correspondence law schools are too small to be staistically signifacent.  Figure that if you are a subgenius, the odds will be about 5-1 against of becoming an attorney.

But even if one is self employed, one needs to get their immigration status sorted out.

What is your take on the LLB online degree holders taking an online US LLM and then taking a US Bar exam?  And what about training contracts for non resident online LLB holders, pretty impossible without connections?

Online Law Schools / Re: Online LLB
« on: November 05, 2012, 02:20:49 PM »
QLTT was phased out in 2010 in favor of the QLTS. 

Becoming a barrister is possible but would involve a pupilage and going through the English Bar instead of the Law Society.

I approached the QLTT like a bar exam except that the law tested was similar but different from the US.  The open book aspect however made it possible to pass.

As I understand it, no more open book exams  (actually you could bring in any notes etc, books, whatever) with QLTS and no more test prep materials provided by the examiner.

Obviously it is still possible to become solicitor but not so easy anymore.

Online Law Schools / Re: Online LLB
« on: November 05, 2012, 11:27:01 AM »
I took the predecessor test, the QLTT, it was a three day exam in New York. Pretty tough but it was open book and the study outlines provided were by the company giving the exam! The material tested was all new to me: legal accounting, ethics, property conveyancing, etc. 

Besides me there were never more than 4 other exam takers in the room, sometimes just  two others.

QLTS info is here:

Unfortunately, looks like you would have to go to the UK to take it.

Looks like they have erected more hurdles.

Online Law Schools / Re: Online LLB
« on: November 04, 2012, 05:10:52 PM »
The whole thing makes no sense unless one becomes a solicitor first.  But as we have noted that is not going to happen without a training contract which is usually not going to be extended to a non EU citizen. 

On the other hand I would say that the online LLB is way better use of time than a EJD.  Even w/out the solicitor license, one has options:

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