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 Even licensed ABA grads get turned down for those jobs if they lack the experience or weren't the top 10% of their class.

Why on earth would a DL graduate expect to be handed a job?  They shouldn't go that route if you expect a job at the end - you can expect to be gainfully self employed if you are willing to put in the effort though.

Yes that would be true if one did not take initiative but NOSSCR offers training for SSA advocates.  A high school grad likely would not be able to handle the paperwork or rules involved.  SSA is actually one of the most complex areas of the law which is why few attorneys go there.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: July 2013 Bar Exam Results
« on: May 17, 2014, 08:58:21 PM »
Non ABA law students may have some effect on the cal bar pass rate but not enough to make a huge difference. California is acknowledged as a tough bar to pass.

There are some nationwide Social Security Advocacy firms that apparently do well enough to advertise a lot.  They are regulated by SSA.  California requires Immigration Consultants to post bond. Public Notaries such as they exists in some states also provide independent paralegal services.  Given that lawyers have a lot more latitude to cheat clients and state bars are often indifferent regulators - as long as there is a need someone will provide the service.  My point is that most DL law students will fail to pass the California bar but they can still work in the legal system and provide services while turning a profit equal or better than a solo practitioner if they are good enough.

L.L.M. Board / Re: we should replace the JD with an LLM.
« on: May 17, 2014, 08:50:58 AM »
No, only in Canada does the LLB require prior college; in the UK and elsewhere you go straight into the LLB from secondary school (high school).  A much better way option IMO than the JD which forces you to shell out for 7 years of college!  However to become a solicitor in England, you must usually complete a training contract which is also a good idea considering most new lawyers in the US learn on the job.

Patent Agent is a good one.  With a JD, one can make some of these professions pay as well as a solo law practice.  Social Security Advocates charge the same as attorneys and there are numerous lawyers who have made a good living just confining their work to Social Security.  If I had a choice between a an advocate without a JD or a JD from a California registered online school, the latter might have an edge. A lot of California distance learning JDs will never pass the bar but that does not mean they are incompetent.

Add Immigration to the list though that can be state regulated as in California and the requirements for non lawyers can be tricky and may require both training and sponsorship.

Representing yourself does not count.  McKenzie Friend is creating a problem in England:

There are also professional lay advocates in out of the way English jurisdictions where solicitors are scarce.

Given that many people cannot afford a lawyer in the US - even a lay advocate with some knowledge might be better than going pro per.

L.L.M. Board / Re: we should replace the JD with an LLM.
« on: May 16, 2014, 11:35:43 PM »
The real way not to waste time and money is award a BA in law like England and quit pretending that a JD is the equivalent of a MA or PhD when it simply is professional training.

L.L.M. Board / Re: Perks to an LLM
« on: April 21, 2014, 01:47:50 PM »
I agree Tax is specialized and the LLM to bar exam route questionable.  There is a lot of interest in an International Law LLM but I suggest one that is focused on cross border practice as well as traditional IL.  The EU now permits a lot of cross border practice so it is not uncommon to need to be familiar with comparative law.  US lawyers are missing out on expanding their practices in transactional and corporate law, criminal defense, and as foreign legal experts.

If you ever do decide to offer an online International Law LLM - look me up - I have JD and PhD an am licensed in the US and three other countries.  Also have been instructing IL and legal Studies at the Masters Level for a couple regionally accredited online programs since 2006 and have developed several courses over the years.

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