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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 14, 2015, 02:36:13 PM »
OK Loki, now let's get back to helping people on Avvo.

   "I don't mean sell it. I mean have an income from it. This kind is called the Lucky Cat. Its owner finds four silver groschen in his pocket every morning."

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 14, 2015, 01:53:32 PM »
First full year in practice (1993) I netted over 100K and had to pay about 50K in taxes and penalties which taught me a lesson that hard work does not necessarily get rewarded.  FYI, the first six months (1992), I lost money while I waited for payments to come through.  But 100K pretax was not big money in 1993 and even less so now.  Solos also don't have benefits and have to pay self employment tax.  So why on earth are you implying me a liar and/or senile? Also, there is more to be a lawyer than just arguing.   Point is, a DL grad can be successful and make a living but most likely as a solo.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 14, 2015, 01:36:23 PM »
There's no way you'd get more than $4000 approved in fee agreements, especially if the cases were as little work as you claim. Furthermore, the fee agreements would have to be approved by a U.S. ALJ, a fact you failed to mention and your post suggests you were not aware.

Finally, I'm not sure who the barb about getting a license to practice is aimed at, but everyone here has held themselves out to be a licensed attorney.

I am sure you are right, 4K seems OK for a SSD case to me but I really haven't done any for a long time.  But these are great cases for a beginner, attorneys turn their noses up at them and the clients really do need help.  I always went the extra mile too and helped my clients get aid while they sweated out the long wait for a reconsideration or hearing.

No offense intended GH but I would not assume everyone here is an attorney otherwise they would know new lawyers don't know crap and need to get smart real fast about how to practice by attending court and hitting the practice books.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 14, 2015, 01:18:54 PM »
I think Citylaw knows their stuff, the others, LOL.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 14, 2015, 11:38:32 AM »
They have things called practice books that tell you what to do, step by step with forms for every specialty imaginable.  You should invest in them if you ever get a license to practice.  As for private fees, what a federal court might award is irrelevant.  Private fees are negotiated between the parties and unless unconscionable are usually much higher than federal court rates.  I dare say, a competent solo practioner can gross 200K these days their first full year out these days because technology would make them even more efficient.

I was in a good location, small town with only a few attorneys that was also the county seat with a giant prison just opening up there which provided as many PD, family law and civil rights cases as one could ever want from prisoners and correctional officers.  They were so short of lawyers, lawyers drove up 90 minutes from the next county down to take cases.  Now if I was opening up in LA which is crawling with lawyers, I doubt I would have done as well.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 14, 2015, 10:43:35 AM »
EZ - one man office, cut the overhead, no employees, work 16 hours every day,  never take a vacation,  take every case that walks in the door and try to charge $350 an hour, back then PD conflict was $75 and hour.  SSD and SSI cases also pay big multiples on not so many hours. Never did much PI because too time consuming and too much competition.  20 years ago and no cell phones or email to waste time.  You could do it now too, you just need a flow of clients and a referral network and a plan.  I located my office between the two biggest bars in a one horse town that way the clients could have a drink before and after they met with me.  After I ended up getting killed on taxes, I worked a lot smarter and a lot less. 

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 14, 2015, 09:03:53 AM »
"You didn't mention the LSAT score, only that you sat it. I still call BS on the rest of it FYI"

Just trying to be helpful anonymous Pi dude since you asked.  But I am not about to argue with you.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 13, 2015, 10:38:46 PM »
I graduated from Taft in 1992.  I had a BA and was working full time for the county govt. when I started in 1988.  Taft did not require a LSAT but I had taken one earlier but dropped out of Golden Gate Law School after a few weeks because I didn't like the lectures.  My GPA at Taft was maybe 2.5 but I passed the FYLSE and Cal Bar on the first try each.  I didn't really pay any attention to the score.  I studied only to pass the FYLSE and Bar.  Within six months I was getting PD conflict and family law cases on a regular basis because I let every attorney in town know I would gladly take any cases they wanted to get rid of. 

I have no affiliation with Taft except as an alumni.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 13, 2015, 05:10:16 PM »
Well back when I attended Taft it was about $1000 a year tuition and another $600 a year for the books and outlines.  Another $1000 for FYLSE related costs and maybe $1500 for the bar exam related costs.  So costs also used to be criteria but as I understand it the spread is not  that big anymorebetween DL and ABA law schools.  First full year out in solo practice I netted six figures.

So there are financial calculations there that might help mitigate extreme odds.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: August 12, 2015, 11:44:42 AM »
I agree - anyone going into DL law school should know the score, 20-1 odds (5% chance) against ever passing the Cal Bar (whereas an ABA is grad is looking at maybe a 90- 95% chance they will eventually pass a bar) and no job at the end.  But people do it and are successful.  And they do have options besides sitting in California.  Everyone has to find their own way and that involves specific research.  Personally, I'd advise avoid Florida like the plague because unlike most states it really does occasionally go after UPL violations BUT I know attorneys who have navigated around that via federal practice alternatives and other methods.

But this forum is about alternatives and if someone serious and qualified wants to go the DL route for various good reasons, telling them ABA or no way is a disservice IMO.  There are enough DL and correspondence California grads out there practicing now to provide empirical proof this works for some people, some of the time.

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