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I tend to agree, those who the nanny state is trying to protect are too stupid and arrogant to understand the odds of ever becoming a lawyer though distance learning.  I calculated the odds as 20-1 against when I undertook distance learning and knew that if I made it past the First Year Bar exam - the odds improve to 5-1 against.

People misuse words like "nannystate". Based on that math telling stores NOT to use lead paint in your cupcake frosting is "nannystate"

Anyone who spent even 30 minutes researching online law schools would stumble upon California State Bar pass statistics which tell most of the story.  If you want to pass the bar, an online school is the worst alternative. It really works only for those unable to attend a ABA or California bar approved law school.  Distance education on the other hands can work just fine in legal systems that do not require a bar exam as in England.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
« on: August 15, 2016, 12:45:37 PM »
Respectfully I have to disagree.  If the OP does not want to be an attorney but be learned in the law, a regionally accredited Masters in Legal Studies is the ticket. The material taught is different from law school in some respects. A fully accredited Masters degree will be useful either in further academic studies or jobwise whereas an unaccredited online law degree is pretty much useless except as a bar ticket. 

Secondly and perhaps more importantly, we have forgotten that a California online program requires the student to pass the First Year Bar Exam and travel to California before they can continue their studies.  That is one nasty exam and has about a 20% pass rate, so why subject yourself to that?
I had mentioned a few things, so I assume you are disagreeing with the EJD part (not the other law doctorates -which are MORE respected than the Masters, since......its the same thing........but higher up.....)

As to the bar requirements, those do not exist for EJD

I am just saying that someone interested in law who does not want to be lawyer should consider a Masters In Legal Studies.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
« on: August 15, 2016, 11:22:38 AM »
Respectfully I have to disagree.  If the OP does not want to be an attorney but be learned in the law, a regionally accredited Masters in Legal Studies is the ticket. The material taught is different from law school in some respects. A fully accredited Masters degree will be useful either in further academic studies or jobwise whereas an unaccredited online law degree is pretty much useless except as a bar ticket. 

Secondly and perhaps more importantly, we have forgotten that a California online program requires the student to pass the First Year Bar Exam and travel to California before they can continue their studies.  That is one nasty exam and has about a 20% pass rate, so why subject yourself to that?

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Online Law Schools / Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
« on: August 15, 2016, 07:32:30 AM »
I'd choose the MLS over the Executive JD.  Non bar JDs have a long history of being dodgy even though the Concord one is not.  Nothing gets a lawyer more riled up then some non lawyer holding himself out as John Smith JD.  Don't know why that it is but John Smith LLM or John Smith LLB do not have the same negative effect.
Depends on if you want to work for a lawyer or not, if not, screw what they feel.think
I know a CPA with an EJD, he would just laugh at a redfaced lawyer

There is actually a reason - there are instances where holders of dubious JDs from diploma mills like Novus and the old LaSalle (not California registered distance learning law schools), disbarred attorneys, and bar exam failures have tried to dupe the public by calling themselves JDs which while technically correct does not entitle them to practice law.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
« on: August 14, 2016, 07:00:13 PM »
I'd choose the MLS over the Executive JD.  Non bar JDs have a long history of being dodgy even though the Concord one is not.  Nothing gets a lawyer more riled up then some non lawyer holding himself out as John Smith JD.  Don't know why that it is but John Smith LLM or John Smith LLB do not have the same negative effect.

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I tend to agree, those who the nanny state is trying to protect are too stupid and arrogant to understand the odds of ever becoming a lawyer though distance learning.  I calculated the odds as 20-1 against when I undertook distance learning and knew that if I made it past the First Year Bar exam - the odds improve to 5-1 against.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
« on: August 14, 2016, 07:18:33 AM »
Anyone considering Taft? ... I am not interested in being a lawyer but I have always wanted to study law. I

Over 20 years plus Taft has a good track record of graduates actually passing the state bar.  However since you say you do not want to be an attorney, might I suggest an accredited Masters in Legal Studies from Kaplan or other regionally accredited online provider.  It will be quicker and cheaper. If you still want a JD, then Concord is a good one because it is the only one regionally accredited and has more bells and whistles for its students.  Regionally accredited means that degree is accepted as a real graduate degree by other universities while the other law school's programs may or may not be.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Online PhD or LLD in Law
« on: April 01, 2016, 06:41:32 PM »
Well thanks anyway.

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http://calbarjournal.com/April2016/TopHeadlines/TH5.aspx


Law schools required to disclose attrition rates

By Laura Ernde
Staff Writer

Unaccredited law schools in California will be required to report student attrition rates under a new rule approved last month by the State Bar Board of Trustees.

The State Bar’s Committee of Bar Examiners proposed the rule to provide greater transparency and effective disclosures to students. It will go into effect June 1. The committee oversees registered, unaccredited law schools in the state and accredited law schools in California that are not approved by the American Bar Association.

Unaccredited schools were already required to disclose in writing to current and prospective students a number of things including bar exam passage rates once a year, before the student pays tuition.

Now, students will be notified in writing of the school’s attrition rates for the past five years. A Los Angeles Times report last year found that about 85 percent of students at unaccredited schools don’t finish their studies.

Trustee Miriam Krinsky said the proposal will increase transparency.

“Consumers are entitled to know what the product is they’re purchasing,” she said.

Deans at several unaccredited schools said the high dropout rates do not tell the full story. Most students that go to unaccredited schools are working adults who may decide for various reasons not to continue their law studies.

“They typically have significant responsibilities outside school, such as families, careers, aging parents, etc.,” Northwestern California University School of Law Dean Michael P. Clancey said in a letter to the committee. “For many of them, life simply gets in the way of their plans for the study of law.”

Good refund policies are a better way to deal with high attrition rates, he said.

Trustee Brandon Stallings, who cast the lone vote against the proposal, said unaccredited schools provide opportunities in underserved areas of the state and expressed concern that the same disclosures are not required for California-accredited law schools.

The board requested that the committee study whether California-accredited law schools should also be required to disclose attrition rates.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Online PhD or LLD in Law
« on: March 28, 2016, 07:53:20 PM »

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ok, I'll play this game. What is the job you have, and what is the job you want from the degree?
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Not for me, got a colleague who is a law school professor outside the US with a LLM and needs a doctorate to move up.

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