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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 05, 2014, 10:22:01 AM »
FreshlyMinted, I can't decide whether you truly don't understand what we wrote or you are a very good, subtle troll. I'm hoping for the latter for you personally, even though it wouldn't be great for the board.
Trolling for what? What part do you think I have wrong. I have been spot on, sorry that I have a mind of my own. I stand by what I said.

Anyone who is something, and is something essentially, possesses "eo ipso," the claim to be recognized for exactly this special thing, and for nothing more or less.  Søren Kierkegaard

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 04, 2014, 04:32:42 PM »
What I mean is that an LL.M program does not teach the skills required to be a good lawyer. They assume that you learned those skills in your JD program. LL.M programs are more like a standard master's.

Therefore, someone who doesn't learn that stuff in a real law school but does get an LL.M (and perhaps a ticket to the bar exam), is seriously lacking IMHO.

And yes, for the purposes of this discussion I assuming that most people with a non-bar qualifying JD enroll in a bar-qualifying LL.M program in order to take the bar.

That LLM won't get anyone a bar ticket. A US LLM specifically geared to foreign attorneys might along with the right credentials. On the other hand if one were wanting to go into a human rights career, it's not a bad degree at all.

However, instead of going offshore for an online degree, the reasonable thing to do is enroll at Taft or Concord and take the First Year Law Exam.  I have worked with at least two other Taft graduates who have been practicing in difficult areas of the law.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 04, 2014, 04:26:33 PM »
FreshlyMinted, I can't decide whether you truly don't understand what we wrote or you are a very good, subtle troll. I'm hoping for the latter for you personally, even though it wouldn't be great for the board.

Yes, that would be a real online LLM from England.  It does not require a previous law degree. However, unlike their LLB, I don't see how it qualifies one to be a solicitor or attorney.

The courses deal with specialized areas of the law, not basic law.

However, it does look like a great alternative to say a regionally accredited  Masters in Legal Studies from Kaplan University.

But unless bar admission committees are bone stupid, it won't get  anyone a bar ticket.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 03, 2014, 05:26:32 PM »
Bad for the profession but especially bad for the student who may have been initially deceived by Novus.  But I think as far as a Novus grad practicing law, that is a moot question because I really doubt there are any.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 03, 2014, 10:05:04 AM »
Novus has no faculty, no accreditation, and no lawyers apparently associated with it. Except based on misrepresentation, how can that be grounds for admission into an accredited LLM program?  Diploma mill degrees are never valid, that is what Touro is seeking in the way of a finding by a court.  Allowing a Novus grad to take a bar would be a complete undermining of the entire system. California online grads have to take the First Year Law Exam - Novus grads nothing.  Additionally, Novus is not a foreign law school.  They are simply an alleged offshore corporation not recognized as a school in their home jurisdiction RMI or anywhere else.  Touro will get discovery and if Novus complies, more facts will come out.

Novus is almost certainly an IBC and therefore cannot legally do business or trade in their home jurisdiction, the RMI.

http://www.ocra.com/jurisdictions/marshall.asp

The few jurisdictions that offer lawyer supervised study have no need of Novus nor would any attorney want anything to do with them IMO.


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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 02, 2014, 07:56:37 PM »
I guess Novus did it's research when it chose California as its operation HQ.  I will say it is virtually impossible to get the AG's office to act on a consumer complaint.  The fact that Touro got Novus served and to answer is impressive.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:19:53 PM »
Cal Bar instead of Touro should have filed this - it is not like they don't have staff.  After all they go after lawyers for minor to major infractions of the rules - seems they could have done it if they wanted to or at least referred it to the AG.  If it's a diploma mill as Touro alleges than you can be certain they are in violation of at least a few laws in California.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 02, 2014, 02:23:15 PM »

Clearly, this demonstrates the ABA needs to approve more schools!

LOL. Tells me the state bars are not doing their jobs.  According to the lawsuit, Novus operates in California.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 02, 2014, 01:30:42 PM »
The complaint said a Novus grad launched a frivolous lawsuit against Touro, when Touro would not honor their bogus degree.  So Touro had to pay legal fees because Novus was falsely telling grads they had a "foreign law degree" and all they had to do is enroll for a LLM to qualify for the bar.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 02, 2014, 10:38:56 AM »
It is a class action seeking a declaratory ruling that Novus degrees are worthless. Touro alleges Novus is deceiving both students and other law programs by claiming it is a "law school."  Graduates of Novus tried to get admitted to Touro and then apparently tried to force their admission as graduates of a foreign law school. I think the lawsuit has merit because practice of law and law schools are a regulated category.  Here you have what appears to be non attorneys instructing by email and multiple choice.

Touro is doing everyone a great service; on the other hand the state bars, in particular California where Novus seems to be based, seems to be remiss in its duties to protect the public and legitimate online law schools from an alleged scam.

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