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Distance Education Law Schools / July 2013 Bar Exam Results
« on: January 28, 2014, 08:33:18 AM »


http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/4/documents/gbx/JULY2013STATS.012214_R.pdf
Overall Passrates

 
CA Unaccredited 
12.6
Law Office/Judges’ Chambers
14.3
Foreign Educated/JD Equivalent + One Year US Education
12.4
Foreign Attorneys Taking the General Bar Exam3
16.1


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Distance Education Law Schools / Practice of "Law" w/out a License
« on: January 16, 2014, 10:59:47 PM »
Given that a number of DL students won't pass the California Bar - there are actually a number of ways to use your JD and practice law without out a license.

1.  Social Security Advocate - they do the same job as an attorney and collect a similar fee; only difference is that SSA does not withhold their fee like it does for attorneys sometimes.

2.  Veterans Disability Advocate

3.  Tax Court (if you can qualify)

In England McKenzie Friends can collect fees:

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/news/stories/case-studies-on-fee-charging-mckenzie-friends/?utm_source=emailhosts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PU+-+16%2F01%2F14

Anyone know of any other examples?

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Distance Education Law Schools / The World laughs at US Law School System
« on: February 04, 2013, 09:09:06 AM »
Just like our stupid inches and gallons; the ABA stranglehold on the legal education system in the US is ridculed as just plain dumb:

http://www.economist.com/news/business/21571213-could-law-schools-be-ready-change-their-ways-two-year-itch

The only ones getting rich are overpaid law professors who can't hold a job except maybe as POTUS.

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Unlike the US in which we cling to the ABA, guns, Bibles, gallons and inches, The Law Society supports alternative ways to qualify as a lawyer:

Apprenticeship route to the legal profession

10 January 2013

We have welcomed the news that the government has backed an apprenticeship route to the legal profession. We support the development and recognition of alternative routes as long as the quality of new entrants to the profession is maintained at the current high level.

Law Society president Lucy Scott-Moncrieff said:

'The Society supports the development and recognition of alternative routes, which can achieve the same standard for qualification.

'Alternative routes of entry into the legal profession are essential in order to enable new entrants to gain qualification through a modularised and work-based learning approach, since the costs of education and training through graduate routes continue to rise. Equality, diversity and social mobility are fundamental factors for the future of the profession. There are many eminent, senior and successful solicitors currently in practice who did not go to university, and this informs our own thinking currently about the various ways in which it should be possible to qualify as a solicitor.'

She added:

'This shows that alternative routes to qualification need not, and must not, undermine the overarching priority that required standards must be consistent across all routes to qualification.'

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/news/stories/apprenticeship-route-to-the-legal-profession/

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Distance Education Law Schools / Online LLB
« on: November 03, 2012, 10:45:35 PM »
Well here it is in black and white, yes you can qualify in California and elsewhere with an online LLB and LLM.

http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/node/12648

I find it all very distasteful - New York will accept a foreign online LLB/LLM student but refuses to permit qualified California lawyers with a California online degree to take the New York bar.

With all due respect to the University of London, English law is quite different from American law.

Secondly, how can new New York justify refusing to let California attorneys take their bar because they have an online degree yet let foreign online students and lawyers take the same bar?

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Distance Education Law Schools / Orly Taitz for US Senate
« on: May 12, 2012, 10:14:30 PM »
Orly Taitz, a California GOP candidate for the US senate has been getting lambasted for quite a while due to her serial lawsuits against the President. The critics somehow blame Taft Law School which she graduated from and passed the bar. I don't see any correlation here?

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Distance Education Law Schools / Limited Practice Officer
« on: March 06, 2012, 09:46:40 PM »
OK - after using Google a bit, there is actually something in Washington State at least called a Limited Practice Officer:

http://www.wsba.org/Licensing-and-Lawyer-Conduct/Admissions/Limited-Licenses-and-Special-Programs/Non-Lawyers-and-Students/Limited-Practice-Officers

http://www.courts.wa.gov/court_rules/?fa=court_rules.display&group=ga&set=apr&ruleid=gaapr12

In theory it looks more lucrative than being a paralegal.

CrazyLawStudent however should have been able to find this by Googling instead of wasting time here for weeks.

Still I am always glad to learn something new.  But this looks like a fancy name for a real estate escrow officer since there does not appear to be any real educational requirement except perhaps a Bachelors degree and passing the exam.

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Oh Canada! / Canadian Legal Advisor CLA
« on: March 01, 2012, 07:18:55 PM »
Can anyone clarify what exactly a CLA with a non Canadian law degree and license can do, it seems they can advise on matters of public international law but the requirements and parameters seem to vary by province.  This would seem to be different from a Foreign Legal Consultant?

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Distance Education Law Schools / Kill All the Law Schools
« on: January 17, 2012, 09:44:24 AM »
The Wall Street Journal OpEd is suggesting we bring back the Bachelors in Law and get rid of the ABA law schools, I agree:


OPINION
 JANUARY 17, 2012
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First Thing We Do, Let's Kill All the Law Schools

Allowing undergraduate law majors to take the bar exam would increase the number of attorneys and lower legal fees..

By JOHN O. MCGINNIS
AND RUSSELL D. MANGAS

Over three years, tuition at a law school can exceed $150,000. Even this princely sum does not capture the full cost. During the time spent at these schools, most students could have earned substantial income. A recent analysis by Herwig Schlunk of Vanderbilt University suggests that for bright students with attractive career opportunities, the total cost of law school is closer to $275,000.

The high cost of graduate legal education limits the supply of lawyers and leads to higher legal fees. And higher fees place legal services out of the reach of middle-income families at a time when increasing complexity demands more access to these services. In short, the current system leaves citizens underserved and young lawyers indebted.

Some have argued that to reduce costs states should simply drop their educational requirements, policing lawyer quality through bar exams, if at all. But the requirement of a legal education can serve important public needs.

First, most citizens, particularly the less educated, do not know much about law and have difficulty evaluating the skill of individual lawyers. Some education in law makes it more likely that a lawyer will be competent. Second, educated lawyers provide a public good. In the United States, most important political questions become legal questions. Educated lawyers can supply a deeper social understanding that informs political policy-making.

Here is a straightforward solution: States should permit undergraduate colleges to offer majors in law that will entitle graduates to take the bar exam. If they want to add a practical requirement, states could also ask graduates to serve one-year apprenticeships before becoming eligible for admission to the bar.....
 
Full article in today's WSJ.

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