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Messages - jollyrog

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Yeah, I re-read it and modified my post a few minutes later. 40 grand is a far cry, but I would still run numbers (as if you haven't already...) and see if you think it's worth it.

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Yeah, I'm aware of the programs. Good deal (and deserved) for more recent vets. Unfortunately, I was in the wrong Iraq war, so my Montgomery GI bill stuff is long gone, but it went to good use.

Anyway, back to the point of the thread, I can tell you that even 40 large in debt is nothing to sneeze at. You may have already gone through this drill, but look at the debt 2 different ways: first, calculate what your loan payments would be on, 40K, and assess if you realistically would NET more than that coming out of the T30. Maybe it looks acceptable. Second, think about the total amortized amount you'd pay over 10 or even 20 years, and then consider what you'd have if you didn't have to spend that kind of coin. You could even consider where you'd be if you invested the payments instead of giving it to the bank. Or, it's a pretty nice car.

It's a tough decision, my friend, but if you can finish top 10 from the T50, you'll have pretty good prospects. I'd talk to as many lawyers as you can - I don't know how much time you have, but get hold of each school's alumni association - and find out what realistically the difference is over a decade working, between the schools.

Good luck. Let us know what you end up doing.

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I signed up for paralegal courses with an online college, do you think that will help prep me for law school?

I took paralegal classes way back, and I'd echo Neal. I know my way around the library and westlaw, know how to style a case, brief a case and some basic rules of civil procedure, real property, debtor/creditor, landlord/tenant stuff, but the only things that will probably help me at all in 1L will be the research and breifing cases.

Beyond whole classes on civ pro, I'm sure they go into the major decisions  and Constitutional principles informing WHY the rules are what they are, etc, etc.

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Phoenix may be a bigger city than Atlanta population wise, but ATL has a much larger legal market.

And it has more law schools feeding into it

Talking w/my friends who range from solos to partners in large, established Orlando firms, UGA has a good reputation throughout the south, so you wouldn't be limited just to Atlanta.

All things being equal, it depends on what region you want to be in after graduation. It seems like you don't have a preference, so consider the future value of that money. That's a big deal.

I'm curious, though. As a Navy vet myself, are you saying the difference in cost after your GI Bill is $45K?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but in general, can't one become a resident at the beginning of 1L and apply for in-state in subsequent years? I've seen something to that effect in some state schools' catalogues. Might save you some big bucks.

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I am applying to several law schools for the upcoming Fall '09 Semester. The problem is that I have a decent GPA but a low LSAT score. Currently I am living in Alabama and would like to relocate to Florida to study law, practice, etc.... I would like to know if Stetson University, Florida International University, and Barry University are good law schools.

Don't know if you're still around, Tee, but I'm in Central FL myself, and the only one I'm remotely considering is Stetson. If you don't mind north FL, you're much better off with UF or FSU unless you need a PT program (which, in all likelihood, I will as well). Good luck to you. Let us know how things shake out.

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At the end of the day, your resume will say Suffolk on it whether you take the day or the evening program... Suffolk is Suffolk, even at night.

Look at the USNews rankings for PT programs this way: What is it, roughly 1 in 4 or 5 schools even have one? In my case, Stetson is geographically the closest (whoops, I forgot - deliberately - about Barry and FAMU) PT program. They're ranked 15th(?) for PT, but barely a T2 overall. OTOH, say I could get into GULC or GW PT program (Angels and ministers of grace...), you think having either of those on a resume, PT or otherwise, wouldn't mean something?

My point is the distance between 1 and 15 in PT rankings is the proverbial country mile farther apart than 1 and 15 overall.

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I do think peoplpe should be sure they know what they are getting into before starting at these schools.

In 1993, when all I had going for me was my train wreck undergrad GPA (I mean, like 1.abominable ...) and my 165 LSAT, Nova Southeastern was playing a game where instead of waitlisting, they'd "conditionally" accept applicants provided they earned a B average in two summer courses. I asked the advisor at Stetson about this, and she told me, "It's a money maker for them. They probably have an attrition rate of nearly 60%", but since they weren't actually admitted students, it didn't show up in the reporting.

Realizing that, even though I was confident in my ability to get the grades, I politely declined on principle.

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Thanks for the input, all. There are some fine PT programs, GULC is ranked #1 by US News, but because I live in FL, unless I want to sell my house (which me and the missus are willing to do), the best PT around here is Stetson, who doesn't seem to be all that generous with scholly dough.

One thing at a time - nail the LSAT, see what, if any, offers come and then it's time for decisions, but it's good to have some idea of what's possible.

If you hit a 170 or above, I don't suspect you'll want to stay in Florida at all, as your score will most likely travel well above the rank of UF and FSU.  Just be prepared to be as flexible as possible - something which, I know personally, can be tough when you have a family, spouse, roots, etc.


I'm aware a 170+ will likely get some attention elsewhere, which is why it's nice that I have the flexibility of no kids at home or in college, and neither of us are originally from Florida, so while it's comfortable, the roots don't run very deep.

Here's what my calculus boils down to: I'll be 55 by the time I begin practice, which means I don't exactly want to burn time working my way up the salary scale. Therefore, I'd better do well at the best school I can get into, in order to have the most opportunities upon graduation. If it means pulling up stakes, so be it.

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Thanks for the input, all. There are some fine PT programs, GULC is ranked #1 by US News, but because I live in FL, unless I want to sell my house (which me and the missus are willing to do), the best PT around here is Stetson, who doesn't seem to be all that generous with scholly dough.

One thing at a time - nail the LSAT, see what, if any, offers come and then it's time for decisions, but it's good to have some idea of what's possible.

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FWIW, I'll be 50 by the time 1L starts. You're just a kid! ;)

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