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Current Law Students / Re: Externships/Internships
« on: August 20, 2010, 10:13:24 PM »

The court itself uses the word "clerkship":
"The Tribunal has no specific limit to the number of externs (or interns if they are earning credit for their clerkship at their respective law schools) that are hired for a clerkship" (See,1607,7-187-39032_39706-139276--,00.html)

I'm not suggesting that your court is unethical.  I'm suggesting that the person who set up the internship/externship program at the Michigan Tax Tribunal is too f-ing ignorant to distinguish between an internship or externship and a clerkship.  Although their ignorance should neither be encouraged or perpetuated, it is not unethical.  Law firms that blatantly misrepresent the truth are unethical.


They do when firms call the summer job with a judge a "clerkship" or call judicial interns and externs "judicial law clerks", "clerks", or "judicial clerks".

No one here used the offending term "clerkship" until you did, although a website creator did also.
The website creator even added a few more terms. But you were already offended before visiting the website. Correct? I used the term "clerk." And I used it here on a law student forum.

I'm not aware of any firm which has used the above website to boost the reputation of associates and you have not mentioned any. But if I understand you correctly, you say law firms are misrepresenting their associates to clients. I would agree with you that it is unethical.

Does the mere use of "clerk" accomplish that? I don't think it does. "Clerkship" is on a different footing and if not used carefully it is misleading.

Current Law Students / Re: Externships/Internships
« on: August 20, 2010, 06:11:50 PM »
While working at a court one day
In the merry month of may
I did not earn any school credit
But merely exchanged my work for pay.

No one had used the word clerkship,
The court just called me a clerk.
And if you're suggesting the court is "unethical"
That makes you kind of a jerk.

So glad when I externed at a firm
It endeavored to make the distinction
That students are externs
To comport with your opinion.

The world is not coming to an end.
You should really consider the facts:
No one confuses summer jobs with clerkships
So take the weekend to relax.

Current Law Students / Re: Externships/Internships
« on: August 19, 2010, 11:59:57 PM »
The Michigan Tax Tribunal pays student clerks to work a single summer. Students are called clerks there but "clerkships" is a word chosen by you and one that I declined to use.

I thought it would be helpful as a first gig for tax but working at a firm was better for the reasons stated above.

Okie dokie?

Current Law Students / Re: Best way to outline for a course?
« on: August 19, 2010, 11:57:59 PM »
Perhaps you are the one who cannot memorize more than 10 pages. Anyways, to each his own. I like mine just fine. If you don't, then do it some other way kid.

Current Law Students / Re: Best way to outline for a course?
« on: August 19, 2010, 03:07:11 AM »
Yeah there really is no one best way. Some of my friends had 100 page outlines and mine were rarely more than 30. I would just generally start with the syllabus or the casebook subject headings and fill it in with case squibs, the rules and anything important the prof said. Or at least stuff that seemed important at the time. If there was a policy to justify any of the above, I threw that in because I always liked to work that into my essays.

Current Law Students / Re: Externships/Internships
« on: August 19, 2010, 02:57:52 AM »
I clerked at a court one summer. I mostly felt like it was a civil procedure course but there's value in that I guess. It's helpful to see how stuff works at a court--behind the scenes. I also learned quite a bit about the firms who practice at that court from their filings and discovery disputes. I drafted the opinion in a case of 1st impression and that was the main benefit--a great writing sample. The money wasn't all that much.

My externship with a tax firm exposed me to a lot more of the substantive law and I made better contacts and learned a ton. It really was a lot of fun. The only downside was using a lot of credits for pass/fail and not playing the GPA game.

Nothing good will come of out a conflict with the honor code. The student org obviously isn't prestigious if you were an officer as a 1L. Give up the nonsense until your grades improve and then sign up again if you still think it's important.

Current Law Students / Re: Best Hornbooks
« on: August 19, 2010, 02:23:35 AM »
I recall using and liking Murray on Contracts when I was a 1L. I don't know that I'd buy any of this crap. For the most part you can find it all in your library.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: cooley in the fall
« on: April 30, 2010, 07:59:45 PM »
Depends on if you're scared of a courtroom or not. If you are a lawyer and a CPA you can help your clients out of a hell of a lot more pickles then just getting them to the halfway point and passing the buck onto someone else. You can charge a fee that reflects that too. If a CPA tries that, they go to prison.

You seem to have some unrealistic expectations to the value of just having a law degree. Nobody is going to care about your JD or LLM if you're actually going to be an accountant, it has no effect whether you will be on top or on bottom of the market. It will only be wasted money and time.

A CPA may represent clients in Tax Court and many state-level administrative courts FYI

Current Law Students / Re: Can you recommend good 2L supplements??
« on: August 29, 2009, 11:50:30 AM »
Can anyone recommend good supplements for these classes? (preferably nutshell or small hornbooks)

Constitutional Law
Federal Taxation
Secured Transactions
Business Associations

Tax--JD tax classes are so basic that it's a waste of money to buy supplements. All you need to know is that the people who call it a code class don't know tax. At your level, just pay attention in class and realize there's such a thing as tax common law. If you know the tax common law with respect to gifts and crap like that, you will do well.

Secured--Gilbert works for me, especially if you have the Whaley casebook.

Bus Assoc--E&E is okay from my experience. I didn't think E&E was anything to get excited about so maybe someone will suggest a better resource for you. But that's what I used and with good results.


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