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And to the original post. I think given the tension and racial profiling from EVERYBODY against arabs of any country, including americans of arab descent, yes, they should get URM status.

But that is not up to us so we might as well accept what is.  It's a good part of a diversity statement I think but I don't know that arabs have HISTORICALLY had a hard time getting into law or getting justice served to them within the borders of the U.S. Not saying they have or haven't, just saying i don't know of it.

I am French/Northern African (from Algeria) but also black. Northern African does not equate to being Arab. If you have been to Morocco or Algeria, you would then know that we come in all shades,colors, complexion, etc. and are from various ethnic backgrounds ( Berbers, Tuareg, Cabiles). Let's face it Northern Africans are mixed no matter how much you look at it, it is a known fact. You can be white, caramel, brown, yellow, high yellow and everything in between. You should know this if you have been there.
One thing to bear in mind is that we are not Arabs either but Northern African ( huge distinction). Study your history, we were colonized and heavily influenced by Arabs and although we speak Arabic we ARE NOT Arabs. Now, I happen to be clearly a woman of color ( no doubt about it) thus I feel extremely comfortable applying as a URM, oh and with only 2% of Algerians in the US, I think I speak from experience when I say that we are truly underrepresented. 

yes but morocco and egypt ARE considered part of the arab world.  Like it or not, they are arabs. no matter the skin colour.

Although from the OP references not being dark enough to be considered URM, it should be obvious without all the hairsplitting that he is referring to the typical picture that comes to mind when we think of arabs, and that is skin that is very near white, or that some people call "olive" complexion.

Underrpresented means given the history and population size of the same group out in the U.S. community.  Not URMs on a worldwide scale.

Blacks of all nationalities/cultures, latinos/hispanics of all nationalities/cultures, native americans...these are the MAIN underrepresented minorities people are usually speaking of that have historically been PURPOSELY SHUT OUT of law school and legal justice on a whole.

People forget that URM status isn't just an umbrella to ease some people's way in for no reason.  This status acknowledges the serious error that left these groups out of the legal loop from education to justice for a long long time, on purpose.  Things done on purpose cannot be corrected by accident when they are systemic...human action has to be purposely directed at correcting it.

That is why we have social programs to assist those humans that are left in the lurch...because too often it is other humans that left them there, not natural selection like out in the natural world.

Hm this is all good material.  You can use both in the same PS if you can connect them seamlessly.  That would be my first recommendation.  Otherwise, make them separate essays.

Thank you! :)

All good things come to an end...

Job Search / Re: Legal Representive or Assisstant Nedded
« on: January 23, 2010, 04:35:44 PM »
So you need a lawyer.  ........ I got more done pro se.  Needless to say FSU is no longer on my list of possible law schools to even apply to. 

Thanks for your response. Actually, I have been looking for a lawyer for while but I have not found one yet. There are two difficulties"
1) Most of the lawyers do not familiar to the academic regulation and university policy. They also think that the university is a giant in legal fighting.
2) I am an international guy and have no much network to find a lawyer who is specified in the academic case.

I found the limitation for civil case is 2 years in USA (I think my case belong to the civil case). I have very limited time to find a lawyer who may help me. I am going to start my case by PRO-SE. Meanwhile, I have more time to find a lawyer.

That is why I ask the law student to help me before I find the lawyer.

It is highly appreciated if anyone who can help me or give me some advice for the PRO-SE case.


Sorry just now seeing this. I am not a law student.  But one does not have to be a lawyer or law student to represent one's self.

Contact your local legal aid foundation.

Or advertise for a lawyer on craigslist.

Job Search / Re: Legal Representive or Assisstant Nedded
« on: December 27, 2009, 12:51:59 AM »
So you need a lawyer.  Law students can only work under supervision of an attorney...and let me tell you as someone who has had fsu's law school students screw up my case even WITH their supervising attorney, you want a professional whose sole job is the PRACTICE of law, not learning it (nor teaching it, apparently, since the supervising atty. is also to blame), to handle a complicated or very serious case. 

I got more done pro se.  Needless to say FSU is no longer on my list of possible law schools to even apply to. 

Job Search / Re: Can't find a job? What about going solo?
« on: December 27, 2009, 12:36:45 AM »
Don't see why the meanness was an economy like this shouldn't we be encouraging those who go make their own job instead of crying about how there are no jobs?  

Sometimes it seems like some of you get snobby for no reason.

Good luck with your venture OP. Only issue i see is: why does the site sound like you only do quickie divorces?  

And how is it going so far, what are you doing to market yourself and what ways are working best as far as drawing in paying clients?  Are you working out of an office space or out of home?

Also you need some powerful factual wording on your website.  Don't put on there how fresh out of law school you are. If I am looking for a lawyer I don't want to be reminded how wet behind the ears you are. Some young lawyers put an ad in craigslist that I checked out at one point and you know something, I was impressed with how they didn't act like the WORLD was possible with my case, they told me what they thought, and what might be an option, and said they would go research it and get back to me AND they DID that.  Turns out they don't have jurisdiction (which is something I knew I would run into anyway but thought it wouldn't hurt to try), but the fact that they came across as so on top of their stuff as far as basics and knowing what they DIDN'T know and where to go find that information...I liked that!  

If my case was in their courts' jurisdiction I promise you for customer service alone (and because I intend to be in their shoes one day, fresh in the business and wanting people to give me a chance) I would have saved up the retainer to go with them. :)  And I am sure I asked what law school they graduated from but right now I can't remember!  But I do remember if they sounded like they know what the hell they are talking about or not, and if they acted like they knew I could take my business elsewhere!

Come across like you KNOW your sh*t.  Make the little blurb on educational background be the one brief mention of how new you are unless the client actually asks.  Education: xyz university college of law, JD, 200x.  The end.  That's how I want my lawyer to come across to me anyway.  

You also need to put up any past experience you have had, including summers during law school, a legal clinic run by your school, anything to show my case (hypothetically) won't be your FIRST case (whether it is or not).

And get some customer testimonials up there (real ones, cause someone like me would ask to be able to talk to a name I see up there to confirm the quality of service).

That's my take. In any case good luck and make sure you come across capable and not like a used car salesman.

That's exactly what i was thinking, law school is not going anywhere.  I missed the whole stress and excitement of this cycle but the exact same thing is going to happen comes fall 2010...and it will come around faster than we think!

to that last poster you have the right idea and it coincides with what i am planning on doing...which is to start a master's program that can be done in about 18 months...that gets me back into study mode, and does give me something worthwhile to add to the application comes fall, as you said.

So yes I feel like I am doing the right thing.

Only thing is i would feel much better if i took a prep course...but i can't afford it so far. I have 6 months to the June 2010 test so here's to making it count!

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: FAMU Law School
« on: December 26, 2009, 12:58:40 PM »
Hey Isis,
class of 2008.

What was your major?

So how did the scores go trudawg?

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