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Current Law Students / Re: Retiring Attorney Fields Essay Questions
« on: April 22, 2010, 03:47:40 PM »
I'm retiring after 25 years.  If you have a question on essay exam-taking techniques, let me know.  I'll do my best to assist with a straight forward answer.  Please - for serious students only.

Please post your website or your state licensed in and bar number so we can check and make sure you are a real lawyer and not just someone looking to scam off other people's essay ideas.

I mean the consensus seems to be there are too many law schools and too many lawyers and too many graduates every year Should we consider going into the health field instead? Medical, Dental or Pharmacy school perhaps? Im 26 graduated from college 4 years ago.

As to this ask "we" but then end it all about you.

There seems to every year, from my research for over one year now on what i'll be up against in my quest to get into law school, people who are going to law school cause they either have no clue what they want to do with their lives or have a bullsh*t degree that they can't parlay into an actual career.

In a bad economy going to school for a simple one-year type degree is not so bad if you want to keep your brain sharp and not look like a slacker if you are unemployed, but it should still be something you have a quantifiable or at least explainable interest in.

But i would be severely pissed off to find out a doctor who has my life in his hands is only in medicine cause no other type of grad school would accept him.  He needs to be in medicine cause he is GOOD at understanding the medical concepts and because he WANTS to take care of my health and in some cases save my LIFE! 

Yes we want to be in a field that makes money, but to be honest you can get more steady and less stressful bang for your buck being a pharmacist and investing on the side in some real estate or something.  If health care is your field.

If you're the type that gets sick being in the same zip code as someone with a cold, i wouldn't suggest a medical profession to you at all.  If you can't stand on your feet for long periods, i wouldn't suggest it either.

there are all these tiny considerations that differ from person to person...

I think you need to decide why you are wanting to do law, and whether the day to day of it is something you can live with, and whether you would even be good at it.   I don't think i would be good at medicine.  takes too long to see a return on your investment, and i sure as heck do not want to be old and on my feet all day!  No no no.  Lawyering involves standing only when it court.

(I have way more serious reasons for choosing law, but i have discussed them months ago, and never considered being a doctor anyway, but did consider turning my back on my law dreams and being a nurse...however, the hostility of the fellow nurses and the scorn of the doctors (legendary!), the slim chance of having your own practice (and needing to get ALL the way up to ARNP status and STILL need a doctor's permission to run your own business, the standing up all day even as an old woman...all that rubbed me the wrong you can get your JD and pass the bar and have your own practice the same day, if you plan ahead for it...I like that. AND I can sit my old backside down when I am 80 if i don't feel like retiring.)

well both.

A profession surely is not the rest of your life, hence the term "non traditional". Plenty of lawyers who switch professions and v/v.

Have all of you even looked in the reality of things? There is even a section on lsd that might be helpfull:,1009.0.html


Nontraditional doesn't instantly mean career-changer.

It means anyone not going to law school as a single (tax status-wise), 21-25 year old, childless 1L either straight from undergrad or with a few years in between UG and 1L.

And it is usually said that once a lawyer/doctor/pharmacist/electrician/insert-trade-of-choice-here...ALWAYS that.  No one can take the skill away from you once it's earned/learned/licensed.  You may have to renew a license or whatnot, but once you know it, trained in it, done it, you are good to go no matter where or when you are in the world or in your life.

Now if you are not practicing you might not be as in demand as someone who has stayed current with the activity and not just the licensing, but even a lawyer who became a stay at home mom can be hit up by her friends for legal advice and be perfectly within the law to dish it out.

I am NOT in the top of my class and at over 40, I have firms offering me summer positions. I have not had to look. Then again, I am not taking any of them because I want to take summer school and finish earlier.

Your value comes with your experiences and with the assumed difficulties you will experience as an older law student. But lest you think you are ancient or something... our class average this year was at 29. We have a half dozen over 45 just in my section. the other section has someone over 60.

All job prospects are tough... may as well be doing what you want to do!

I second and third THAT!

Although of course I think it is very un-smart to give up a known and paying career that is paying your bills thus far in this economy to go into law school with no idea of what law you want to do and what it's prospects are etc.

I am not even in law school yet and I knew environmental law is a bad field.  I went around trying to offer myself for volunteer work at every lawyer's office i could find last year and an environmental lawyer let me know flatout that business is VERY slow in his field and if it wasn't for the fact that his secretary was his wife, he wouldn't even be able to afford her.  He didn't have any work, not even for a volunteer to do!

Despite how I've read that immigration lawyers are basically the poor relations of the legal profession, the one place that DID call me back eventually (cause they had nothing up front either but remembered my presence and resume/skills when I came in) was an immigration law office.  So for what it's worth, decide exactly why you want law, what form of law you want to practice, the job prospects for it coming out, and if it's your career that's truly what's not satisfying in your life or some other part of your life that is being neglected.

Environmental law seems very faddish to me.  Take my advice with a grain of salt but if it's one thing this economy should teach people, it's to get professions that endure through it ALL.  Unless you're the trumps or something.  No fads!

Black Law Students / Re: FAMU Law School
« on: April 22, 2010, 02:21:59 PM »
Diversity rules at FAMU Law Im a 1L and I have many friends attending who are single parents and hanging in and keeping up with the work. One of the best things about the school is that there are people from all over the world. In my class I have a lawyer from Checkoslovakia and another lawyer from China. There is also a local surgeon who wants to get his law degree as well as another attorney from from Florida he didnt graduate from an accredited law school 1st time around although hes been practicing for 20 years. We have students from Africa, Dominican Republic, Japan, Puerto Rico, Spain and -  Florida. The ages of the students run from 22- 60 and it makes for interesting discussions. Everyone is smart in different ways & friendly. The mix of cultures, ages, attitudes, backgrounds make the experience a blast. Be prepared the Professors are tough and the workload is huge. The school is determined to rise and succeed now that it has accreditation and nothing short of performing at your highest level is acceptable they will kick you out if you cant perform up to their expectations. At the same time the Professors are really willing to help- they have an open door policy if you want help you will get it but it is up to you to ask. So if you decide to come be ready to go all out as 1Ls we have 6 classes this spring it is the hardest thing Ive ever done and the best experience ever Im having the time of my life.

I am glad people attending the school are having a good time, and that they are appealing to people from around the world.  I do hope they rise, and that their graduates give back by providing opportunities for internships and post-grad employment to the ones behind them.  And I can see there was a real need for folks in Orlando to have a law school accessible to them (plus, unlike many of the rest of non-Miami Florida law schools, it's actually located in a city with an international airport).  UF and FSU might be the highest ranked, but they really do not have any curb appeal being in rather racist small town locations.

I wouldn't consider it because of previous experience with FAMU's administrative side...(and not wanting to live in Orlando). 

How have you found the experience with financial aid and such?

Black Law Students / Re: FAMU Law School
« on: April 22, 2010, 02:16:56 PM »
I am 57 and will start in the part time program Fall 2010. I was admitted to full time, but decided not to quit my job. I am looking forward to the fun. I love that FAMU is a very diverse school. I am an old white guy married to an old black women! She thinks this is one of the best decisions I have made. I hope so!

Awww sounds like an old-school romance with a twist.

Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 22, 2010, 02:14:14 PM »
sands, i'm sure all that wisdom you've imparted on us re: outlining, reading, and having lots of sex before 1L will work wonders for all us pre-L's.

Yeah I don't think those words will escape the back of my mind anytime soon. lol.

Especially that last one.  *smh @ self*

I've actually had conflicting answers on this one; each definition i've seen for law schools fails to designate beyond "Native American," but in some definitions, like the AAMC definition, the term "Native American" denotes Native Hawaiians and Native Alaskans also.  Is it perhaps a school-by-school designation?


Call each school you are interested in and ask them. I am sure they mean to include native hawaiians and native alaskans but you know how the gov't is, it is probably so rare to see them outside of hawaii that they forget to make sure everyone notes them as well and just lump them all in under native american.  Cause technically, I guess, since Hawaii is now part of the U.S., they ARE native americans.

And to the original post. I think given the tension and racial profiling from EVERYBODY against arabs of any country, including americans of arab descent, yes, they should get URM status.

But that is not up to us so we might as well accept what is.  It's a good part of a diversity statement I think but I don't know that arabs have HISTORICALLY had a hard time getting into law or getting justice served to them within the borders of the U.S. Not saying they have or haven't, just saying i don't know of it.

I am French/Northern African (from Algeria) but also black. Northern African does not equate to being Arab. If you have been to Morocco or Algeria, you would then know that we come in all shades,colors, complexion, etc. and are from various ethnic backgrounds ( Berbers, Tuareg, Cabiles). Let's face it Northern Africans are mixed no matter how much you look at it, it is a known fact. You can be white, caramel, brown, yellow, high yellow and everything in between. You should know this if you have been there.
One thing to bear in mind is that we are not Arabs either but Northern African ( huge distinction). Study your history, we were colonized and heavily influenced by Arabs and although we speak Arabic we ARE NOT Arabs. Now, I happen to be clearly a woman of color ( no doubt about it) thus I feel extremely comfortable applying as a URM, oh and with only 2% of Algerians in the US, I think I speak from experience when I say that we are truly underrepresented. 

yes but morocco and egypt ARE considered part of the arab world.  Like it or not, they are arabs. no matter the skin colour.

Although from the OP references not being dark enough to be considered URM, it should be obvious without all the hairsplitting that he is referring to the typical picture that comes to mind when we think of arabs, and that is skin that is very near white, or that some people call "olive" complexion.

Underrpresented means given the history and population size of the same group out in the U.S. community.  Not URMs on a worldwide scale.

Blacks of all nationalities/cultures, latinos/hispanics of all nationalities/cultures, native americans...these are the MAIN underrepresented minorities people are usually speaking of that have historically been PURPOSELY SHUT OUT of law school and legal justice on a whole.

People forget that URM status isn't just an umbrella to ease some people's way in for no reason.  This status acknowledges the serious error that left these groups out of the legal loop from education to justice for a long long time, on purpose.  Things done on purpose cannot be corrected by accident when they are systemic...human action has to be purposely directed at correcting it.

That is why we have social programs to assist those humans that are left in the lurch...because too often it is other humans that left them there, not natural selection like out in the natural world.

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