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I never said it was shallow to chase money. I don't have any myself and the debt I have accumulated even with a scholarship is scary.  I think law school is a massive risk and there are about 327 better ways to make money.  I just really enjoy the law and want to be lawyer and worked some crapp** jobs after college, but then I started working in law firms and I liked it a lot, more than any other job I have ever had and I have probably had 8 or 9 jobs in different fields in undergrad and for a year or so after college, but working in law firms I really liked so that is why I am in law school.
I really think if you go to law school, because you don't know what else to do or are simply going, because you like Law & Order you are probably not going to be happy.  I really think anybody considering law school should work as a paralegal for a year or two and if possible get a cheap paralegal certificate. This way you will know if it is something you even want to do and having some legal experience before going to law school is huge in my opinion, because in each interview I have gotten they were impressed that I had experience doing actual legal work. This is only based on my limited experience, but I have not gotten a job I interviewed for the summer and I think it has a lot to do with having legal experience.  You never know why someone chooses to hire you over somebody else, but that is what I think the reason is.

If you can think of 327, or even 27, better uses of your time and money than law school, you maybe should be doing one of those than this. lol

I have read law schools do NOT like people with "pre-law" majors or other legal education prior to the JD.

People can just volunteer to shadow someone in a field of law they are interested in for a week or a month to see if they like it. No need to waste years of one's life playing house.  People only have one life to live, they have to take a little less time than that to be decisive and mature about what they are doing with it.  Two years are not promised to anyone.   Researching the pros and cons of whatever you are interested in on the net and from the people in the trenches now cuts all that time wasting by 2/3.

IMO of course.

I'm 23 years old, 2.97 Overall From Oswego State in NY, 162 LSAT, Two Recommendations, Physics Prof and Law Prof.  First year brought crap GPA.  I've got a few questions and hopefully someone can suggest some choices.  First, the LSAT/GPA Calculator doesn't take into account that I'm a white male, not-wanted by law schools, so I assume my actual chances are lower than displayed?  Second, in this range, what would be a decent law school, T2, that I could hopefully get some funds from or has a low tuition? NY resident. (Intellectual Property Law Interest)  I'm really hoping for Buff State, but I'm sure their getting showered with apps.  Thanks all!   :)   

I've applied to

1.  University of Buffalo (%75)  16k a year
2.  University of Syracuse (95%) 40k a year
3.  Albany Law (99%) 40k a year
4.  Drexel (99%) 32k a year
5.  Cleveland Marshall (95%) 22k

How Viable is it to get a scholarship from one of these 40K a year schools?

Um, how about you take a new tactic (if you are willing to sit out a year and apply this fall)?

Go to the LSAC and log in.

Do a search of the ABA Guide under detailed search, and find every school with a tuition less than $20,000 (this returns the ones that have this price IN-state) and attrition rate between 1% and 5%.  Don't put in any other preferences.

Then look at the top range of the LSAT scores for the schools that show up.  The ones you meet or beat might give you $$$ if everything else (LORs, PS, DS) = wow.

you could also just search for every any school whose cost is less than $20k.  However beware attrition rates.

Good luck!

you can still transfer.  :)

And get a full ride as a transfer 2L? I don't think so.

He could still go ahead and apply at cooley and if he gets his free ride, withdraw/forfeit his seat deposit at wherever he orginally accepted...all that school will do is snag someone off the waitlist. It's no skin off these schools' backs, if I were him I wouldn't feel any loyalty til I arrive at the first day of class.

And the fact that no one cares about the difference between the SUNYs should actually work in OP's favour.

I also find it incredibly rude to laugh his GPA to scorn and QUESTION him about it in such a hostile manner.  If he was acting like his GPA is the same as an MIT 3.9, fine to bring him back to reality, but he already realizes it's not good, so why beat a dead horse?

You people need to stop killing off the board's new posts with this hostility.

I honestly do love the fact that they have their own rankings. I think it is an awesome slap in the face to the U.S. News ranking which literally has as much merit as Cooley's system does.  In fact Cooley's actually is a better formula, because at least they do use objective standards even if it is the amount of chairs a school has at least that is measurable. 

This fails at all levels.

ROFL I KNEW you wouldn't let this thread slide. lol.

OP did you actually tell us why you love Cooley?  It's not located somewhere I would want to live and work so that's my particular reason for not feeling any interest...also it's name sounds like an Indian slang for lower classes of East Indians (coolie) so I just don't feel comfortable going to a whole school named that.  The word is popular in my culture and if I tell anyone in my family who has no clue about law schools, the name alone is going to make them raise eyebrows and laugh because of the cultural meaning, times two for it being a school they never heard of.

That's like that school over in LYNCHburg, VA.  Va already has a bad reputation...hell I look like going to a school in a place with a name that makes the hairs on the back of my neck rise.  Ahhhh no I'll pass. Trivial reasons but still. 

lol I remember when I just came to America and saw a place in the newspaper named Tivoli Gardens...I nearly died laughing.  No self-respecting person from my country would come all the way to America to live somewhere named after the most infamous ghetto in my country.  Not even if you paid them. lol.

What's in a name indeed. ROFL

It makes perfect sense why Yale flunks out a lot fewer people, because if you get into Yale you obviously are pretty damn mart academically, but there are exceptions. I would never for a second say Cooley is on the same caliber as Yale.  If I had a kid or I had the choice between GGU and Yale I would obviously choose Yale. However, a school like USF or Santa Clara has approximately the same attrition rates as GGU 26 academic attrition students from USF and 17 at Santa Clara compared to 35 at GGU. \

True GGU has a few more students fail out, but it is by no means mandatory to fail out students at any school.  A difference of 9 students between USF and GGU shows the difference between a tier 2 or tier 4 at the end of the day doesn't really matter. Stanford had nobody fail out and Stanford is a pretty damn good school and nobody is questioning that and I had I gotten a 178 on my LSAT that is where I would be.

Even further down the line, UF has far lower attrition rates than Cooley.  Not sure what GGU's rate is but instead of you saying "a few more" how about posting the 1L attrition rates of BOTH GGU and any school you are comparing it to?  That is objective.  You saying a few more tells me nothing, could be a few more than 5% or a few more than 15%...which are at opposite ends of the spectrum of attrition rates far as I'm concerned.  A few more than 5 is still in single digits. A few more than 15 is getting from ridiculous to WTF levels.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: How to approach the next lsat?
« on: May 22, 2010, 08:59:15 AM »
Hello LSD org members--I have a very unfortunate situation before me.

I have in the past cancelled the lsat scores 2x (the 1st time was just to experience the testing environment with out studying for it), have taken this past Dec's test, scored poorly on that test and now have 1 more chance to take the test.

I just took a test and scored a 157. However, I have taken all of the tests except for Sept 09.

I was wondering with 1 more chance left should I just bust my butt to take June's or take it this coming Oct? Also if I do take it in october I dont know the best way to study incrementally for Oct's test?

Any suggestions--also would I still have a chance at getting accepted to schools with this history? Thank you and I will definitely appreciate all harsh and critical honest answers

What EarlCat said.

And as far as will schools still take you...they may ask about it.  You don't seem to have any good reason for the 2 cancels so don't bother making an addendum. 

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Ready for College at 17 years old?
« on: May 22, 2010, 04:57:47 AM »
colleges should admit no one younger than 19 at time they start.  especially anyone from utah.

I started college at 16.  Did all 4 years of high school, just was put 2 years ahead when I immigrated here.

I LOOKED and sounded 18 though. lol

Incoming 1Ls / Re: What to do to prepare for law school
« on: May 22, 2010, 03:30:38 AM »
I'm a 3L and all through law school, I worked with Morange Workshops to prepare for my courses. They're awesome. Now, they are doing a special program for incoming 1Ls called The Scoop. It's gonna be fantastic and anyone who wants an edge should sign up.

Barely two posts and we're promoting some unheard of thing already?

I smell a troll...

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Is it worth it to go to Whittier?
« on: May 22, 2010, 03:19:09 AM »
any ABA school from Harvard-Whittier will teach you the skills to pass the bar . 

This, OP, is NOT true.

The top 3 schools, and possibly the entire T14, are well known to teach more theoretical approaches to law and you are expected to cover the black letter law on your own.

The state schools in particular and, if I remember right, all non-T14 schools cover much more black letter law in their teachings, and that black letter is geared towards the state they are located in.  Therefore a state school teaches with more of a slant towards what's covered on their bar exam.

All ABA-approved schools from Yale to Appalachian will, if you pass their courses, grant you a JD from an ABA-approved law school, and for most states that is the first requirement to be able to sit the bar.

It is worth it to go to Whittier if it is the only school you got into, if it is the best quality school you got into (and how you determine that is up to you, for me it's feeder market, attrition rate, bar passage rate, and on a lesser note, customer service up to that point), and if it is the best financial aid package you got.

My feeling is people should have more than one two acceptances though to be able to even make a choice.  If it's the only school it's not a choice is it cause you have no other option.

You can also consider retaking the LSAT (using improved study methods) in October of this year and using the better score to aim for a school with lower attrition and higher bar passage rates.

But even if you decide to attend this year, Whittier is a regional school and you need to be sure that where the majority of it's students end up practicing is somewhere you are willing to live and work for likely the next 40 years after you pass the bar.  If not, don't go, because where most of its graduates feed is where your potential Whittier jobs are.  Only nationally known schools can place virtually anywhere (except perhaps really small towns that they are not from, who won't trust the extent of their commitment/connection to the area).

If you would like to live and work in a certain area go to a law school that feeds most of it's graduates into that area.  If you KNOW where you want to live and work, you could even move there this year, take the test this fall and apply to schools for that area this fall, and be classified in-state by the time 1L rolls around.

For example, if you live in Cali there may be no cheap schools instate, but if you are classified as a Georgia resident Georgia State's law school is only about $10,000 a year...and if you go parttime it's less.

That's the other thing, make sure even if you decide to attend Whittier that you consider going part time so you can work, otherwise go get a McDonald's job if you have to in order to save up money this summer for your books (which, unlike undergraduate, you will need, from what I read, before the first day of class hits, and which are SEVERAL books not just one textbook per class).  Save up money for your first month or two of incidentals and the move itself if you will have to leave the state.

Cheer up, you sound a little depressed about the job/financial situation, I know that feeling, but as long as you have a plan to change your status, there's a way out of the mess.

And PD offices are more popular options with unemployed students, and are also on constrained budgets due to the economy, so if you know you want to be a PD, get off the law school campus and get involved in local PD associations, get connected in the PD world, talk to people writing PD blogs about how to get a job, talk to PDs in the PD offices of the state(s) you want to live and work in about the pros and cons of their job and the best ways to get a job in a PD office in this economy...get out there, and remember to smile and not sound depressed and don't tell them how broke you are.

Good luck whatever you decide!  Also asking the career center at Whittier (now, before you get there) for names of grads who went into public interest/PD work, and contacting them (if you can find out what state they went to, look it up on their state's bar's website), is a good way to get the truth about Whittier for people with your interests...straight from the horse's mouth, instead of from us who never been there.  Make sure to ask them about their experience with Whittier.

Hope this helps.

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