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JasonTaylor Dr. Balsenchaft is right there will be some doors closed to you if you are a T-2, T-3, T-4 student. People that get into Harvard, Yale, Standford are brilliant and more than likely the worst student at Harvard would probably be near the top of the class at the T-4 I attend.  However, this board often seems to make T-4, T-3 schools as a place where crackheads reside getting into any ABA school is an accomplishment considering you essentially have to get above a 3.0 in undergrad, which for people considering law school does not seem that difficult, but the majority of undergraduate students do not achieve that. Even after doing well in undergrad to have a realistic shot at getting into an ABA school you need to get 150 or above on the LSAT, which requires you to do better than 50% of LSAT test takers. So getting into an ABA school is an accomplishment, but people that make it to Harvard or Yale are smarter, more motivated, or have amazing connections.  Therefore, they will have more options than those that attend lower schools. If you want to practice Big Law and make some serious money then I would not recommend going to a T-4 go look at the big firms like White & Case or O'Melveny & Myers and you can see where the attorneys went to school. The majority went to top tier schools, you will find a handful of T-4 and T-3 grads, but click on attorneys that attended Harvard Law School and you will see about 100 attorneys pop up. Click on Golden Gate or Southwestern and maybe one  will appear.

Now if you go to a lower ranked school you are not going to be destitute there are plenty of opportunities in smaller firms or government, but the money is not going to be great and you will likely be more than 100,000 in debt. I think the real reason lower ranked schools get a bad wrap is that the media portrays lawyers as jet-setting millionaires, but that is not the case even for a lot of Harvard Grads. No lower ranked school is going to tell you that the red-carpet is going to be rolled out for you upon graduation, but people considering law school take the LSAT and don't break 160 and think they will go a lower ranked school and be the exception and be handed a 100,000 a year job at graduation. Instead what happens is that law school graduates from lower ranked schools wind up 100,000 in debt and look for a few months for employment after graduation and get a job paying 40 to 60k and it is more likely they could have spent the last 3 years of their life making money doing something else and not paying 100,000 for the education. If you wen to law school to make money then you would not be happy, if on the other hand you went in wanting to be a lawyer, because you find the profession interesting then you will be satisfied.  The main point of this post is that a T-4 or lower ranked school won't leave you homeless and be proud of your accomplishment for getting in, but don't be naive to think you are going to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court if you went to a T-4 school.  Be sure that you can be happy with the legal profession and I would recommend being a paralegal and you will see the long hours that lawyers put in and you will see lawyers are not exorbitantly rich they are living upper-middle class or middle class lifestyles and have to pay down their student loans for years.  JasonTaylor you should be excited about making it into an ABA school, but you do need to realize that a Harvard Grad and the other T-14 grads who go into the market when you graduate will have more career options and that attending a lower ranked school will close some doors, going to a T-4 I am pretty confident I will not be the next President of the United States or sit on the U.S. Supreme Court, or even be work in Big Law right after graduation. However, a current Harvard student can believe they have a chance at those opportunities.

Your overall tone is absolutly depressing.Though, you'd probably argue that its realistic.
 And perhaps it is, but the reasoning to me is a little off.  It appeared to me that you were putting
Ivy Leaguers on somewhat of a pedestal, and telling yourself that they are in some way better
than you.  Because of their prestige the world might see it that way, but personally I could
not accept that as a truth, and I don't see why you would be willing to.
While I will not deny that some are truly geniuses, I believe it may be foolish to say that
all are inherently "smarter" than students at lower ranked schools.
A teacher once told me that college is more a test of endurance,than a test of smarts. 
I believe that alot of them just made more responsible choices than the average college kid.
They endured regular study schedules opposed to cramming for exams.
Maybe they began work on term papers when they were assigned, instead of a week prior to.
Perhaps they sacraficed getting wasted on college night, to do assigned readings.
Maybe they chose to expand their quest for knowledge outside of the classroom, and instead
of sitting in the desk like a lemming waiting to be spoon fed, they contributed knowledgably to
discussions.  Perhaps they went the extra mile to forge relationships with professors.
In that sense perhaps they are smarter. But these are things that all of us could do.  Most of us
just choose not to.  In doing such we choose our own path.  My point is a lot of the Ivy Leaguers
aren't anymore capable than most students at a state school, they were probably just more
motivated in undergrad. Thus, the rest of us were lazy! Anything less than a 3.o is lazy! 

Black Law Students / Re: Please distribute widely!
« on: February 15, 2010, 11:12:21 AM »
ERR! I wish I would have known about this last summer!   :-\

Current Law Students / Re: Is a JD Just another Humanities Degree?
« on: February 14, 2010, 12:20:24 PM »
the only reason i am dollar signs is because they will make me independent of silliness (strong euphemism) of the majority mob rule.  The morning I will not have to rely on the judgment of 99% of people who think they know everything but do not know jack will be the best time in my life.  I will definitely make sure to FDIC insure my money to protect it from money managers who think they know what they are talking about.  Thats all.

P.S. I self represented myself in 2 lawsuits filed against me and won in a landslide thanks to my legal research and writing skills.  Moreover, I love law and enjoy studying it. I foresee the dollar signs invested in law schools likely wasted, but going there anyways.

That's my point exactly; do what you love and what you do well! I would never try to talk anyone out of law if thats where their true passion lies.  But it didn't seem like the OP truly wanted to be an attorney.  Instead it seemed to me as if he/she just wanted to make a crap load of money doing anything, which is not the recipe to a fulfilling life.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: December 2009 Curve is Suspicious
« on: February 13, 2010, 09:06:05 PM »

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Feb Test Scoring Delay
« on: February 13, 2010, 09:04:39 PM »
Ugh This is TORTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Current Law Students / Re: Is a JD Just another Humanities Degree?
« on: February 13, 2010, 08:49:50 PM »
OP you shouldn't just be chasing dollar signs.  Do what you love and what you're good at.  Money will come later. Emphasis on "the what you're good at" part.  

Current Law Students / Re: A Letter to my classmates
« on: February 10, 2010, 01:58:21 PM »

OMG this is friggin hilarious! I can't wait to get to law school so I too can enjoy these annoyances!!!

I consider myself to be a liberal leaning independent, however; I really wanted to like Palin when McCain introduced her.  I thought she was slightly impressive until she opened her mouth.  After learning more and more about her I became convinced that not only was she unqualified, but also that she's a blooming idiot.  From my own observation, I've noticed that a significant portion of the conservative base tend to put being able to identify with the candidate above qualification.  It seems that they simply want an average joe, because they think these are the types of ppl whoo will have their best interest in mind.  I'm not saying that this is the case with all conservatives, or even most.  I'm not even saying its wrong.  Its just that I first and foremost put qualification, and then maybe relatability.  Basically, I just want someone to ge the job done.  I can care less about details that interest some ppl. like family or religious values. 

Studying for the LSAT / HAPPY LSAT DAY
« on: February 06, 2010, 04:11:03 AM »
Good Morning all!!! Just on my way to go & take one of the most important tests of my life!!  Good Luck to everyone else testing this morning!!!

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Today's random lyrics
« on: February 01, 2010, 05:45:08 PM »
Vomit on the Ground
Vomit on the Ground
When you live in a off-campus student living environment
You'll always find Vomit on the Ground

Comin back from downtown they'll be vomit on the Ground
On your way to work they'll be vomit on the Ground
Comin home from school they'll be vomit on the Ground
Trying to walk the dog around they'll be vomit on the Ground

These silly Undergrads can't hold their liquor down
so there's vomit on the Ground
If they would pick up the books and put down the booze
Maybe vomit on the Ground is something we could lose

Vomit on the Ground
Vomit on the Ground
I'm so damn tired of Vomit on the Ground!

Monday! VOMIT on the Ground!
Tuesday! VOMIT on the Ground!
Wednesday! VOMIT on the Ground!
Thursday! VOMIT on the Ground!
Friday! VOMIT on the Ground!
Saturday & Sunday! VOMIT on the Ground!
ALL Year Round VOMIT on the Ground!

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