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Anyone ever hear of a school increasing a student's scholarship after his or her first year?  My dad seems to think I could use the 4.0 and potential transfer as a bargaining chip for more money.  Any thoughts?

Transferring is a good bargaining chip.  I'm in the top 10% of my class, and 2 days after I submitted my request for a letter of good standing to transfer, the dean at my current school called me and told me he "was pretty sure he could find me more scholarship $." 

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General Board / Re: to transfer or not to transfer
« on: June 14, 2010, 06:47:13 AM »
I agree with what's been posted here.  I should hear about any scholarship $ from Kent in the next couple weeks.  If I get any, maybe I can leverage that to get even more $ from John Marshall.  I'm making more and more connections at JM, so I'm only going to transfer if Kent makes it worth it for me.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Proctored exams?
« on: June 09, 2010, 01:00:59 PM »
Everyone scores higher on their PT than the actual exam.  I had a similar experience, and I also self-studied.  I thought it was a racket to pay hundreds of dollars just to take an exam.  In all honestly, I now wish I had.  No doubt I would have scored higher if I had taken a prep class, and then I would have gotten more scholarships and would have been accepted at better schools.  Yeah, your personal statement and recommendations are considered - but not nearly as much as your GPA and LSAT.  I think that, given the amount of debt you're going to incur to get your JD, a few hundred extra dollars to get a high LSAT score is worth it.

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I agree that, unless you're going to a T14 school, $ is more important.  The less debt you have, the more options you have.

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General Board / Re: How do you think like a lawyer?
« on: June 09, 2010, 12:54:39 PM »
Everything that can be said pretty much already has.  I'll just add what I learned from my own experience.  First, make your answer as clear and organized as possible.  The prof probably does not enjoy reading 100 essay answers, so the easier it is for him/her the better.  Second, don't take anything for granted.  My Contracts I prof told me that a lot of people forget to cover the most basic rules (offer, consideration, acceptance) and just go straight for the main issues in the question.  So don't take anything for granted.  You gain or lost points for every issue you spot or miss.  Also, don't get distracted by irrelevant information.  You're not going to care about all of the info in the question - just focus on the actual issues and apply the relevant rules (the kitchen sink approach is not going to help). 

I'm a huge advocate of practice exams.  I do them for every class, so that by the final I already know how I would approach a question about pretty much any topic that was covered.  One of my profs actually offered to look over practice exam answers and provide feedback.  I took him up on it, and he said I was the first person who ever did.  I got the highest grade in the class on that final, and I think it was because of the preparation I did.  Know the rules and understand how to apply them efficiently.  What else can I say?

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General Board / Re: Why does everyone think 1L is so hard?
« on: June 09, 2010, 12:24:51 PM »
I agree with most of the others here.  The hardest thing about being a 1L is the anxiety.  I felt like I was trying to hit a bulls eye in the dark and I just had no idea at all if I was going to get A's or fail out.  Add to that all the lying and posturing that goes on.  The material is not hard.  It's the process.  The way I think about the law is far different now than when I started.  And same for the writing - I actually do freelance business writing and consider myself a fairly good writer, but that was no advantage when I started drafting memos and briefs.  I also work full time, so I have the additional challenge of time management.  That leaves me with little patience for full time students who complain about how hard it is to get all the work done.

To the OP - first, consider yourself lucky that you had midterms.  Most people don't, so the final is the one and only grade.  One exam makes or breaks you.  And it's true that only a few points separates the A's and B's.  Also, I don't know what school you go to, but I cannot believe your undergrad was more difficult.  I went to grad school, and law school makes that look like a big support group where we all basically sat around and told each other how great we were.  There, all you had to do was show up to get an A.  That's not the case in law school.  If you think it is, give it a shot and see where it gets you after the final.

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General Board / Re: Why does everyone think 1L is so hard?
« on: June 09, 2010, 12:14:03 PM »

As a sidenote think education is the best business model of all time we are all literally competing against each other to pay the school 100,000, people buy books, take classes, and so on to figure out how to have a school let us PAY them 100,000. What other business is there where that is the case and that it is not just law school, all education is that way. It is just a great position to be in. I would love to have people fighting to give me a 100,000.

Quite right.  PBS-Frontline recently did a show on this.  That primarily related to online schools (like Phoenix Univ), but it's pretty true across the board.  I often wonder how many students are admitted even though they school knows they're not qualified just to get a year's tuition out of them.  Not to mention all the $ paid out just to get into a school.  It's pretty disgusting if you ask me.

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General Board / Re: to transfer or not to transfer
« on: June 09, 2010, 10:20:37 AM »
I wouldn't say there's a big advantage to transferring since it doesn't seem like one school is far superior to the other, though I'm not that familiar with the market.

From what I understand, John Marshall suffered under a couple less than stellar deans a couple decades back, and some people in the local market still regard the school in that context.  But it's well connected with the local bar assoc. and the local job market, and that counts for something.  I think the dean and profs that are there now are very good.  I meet practicing attorneys all the time who graduated from JM.  I think it's a toss up - it's really just a matter of ranking.  But it's not like Kent's in the T14 anyway, and I'm not expecting to get right into big law.

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General Board / Re: to transfer or not to transfer
« on: June 09, 2010, 10:15:23 AM »
I think if everything is working for you at JM why transfer. I really think rankings are irrelevant particularly from Kent to John Marshall I don't think saying you went to either school is going to drop any jaws not that they are bad schools, but it is not like saying you go to Harvard or something and I would have no idea that Kent was ranked higher than John Marshall living in California and I imagine the majority of people wouldn't know the difference.

 I really realized how irrelevant the rankings are when I started my internship yesterday.  I was working with a bunch of people from Hastings, some guy went to Pitt, one went to Florida Coastal, and just a bunch of schools some ranked why higher than the others, but at the end of they day it was all of our first days and the U.S. News ranking of anybody's school did not matter at all.

I also compare this rankings to my study group in law school. I went to Chico State a no name school and another guy went to some 7th Adventist school in Tennessee. The other 4 people in my group 2 went to Notre Dame and 2 went to Berkley, clearly excellent undergrads, but me and the guy from Tennessee were on the Dean's list and the other 4 got 2.8-2.6 all were in the middle of the curve. Moral of the story is it doesn't really matter the name of your school it is the results you get that count. If you are in the top 10% of John Marshall then why change unless location is a factor.

Funny Ė I have the same experience with my study group.  Iím from a very rural area and went to a smaller university, but Iíve still done better in law school than many of my peers who went to prestigious colleges for undergrad.  I think some of them just assumed theyíd do well in law school without working very hard, and that was not the case.

Thatís an interesting story about your internship.  I honestly think the program at John Marshall is good, and the profs are pretty well connected with the local market.  Sometimes it gets frustrating hearing about all the infamous rankings and being told that if you donít go to Harvard, youíre going to die alone and penniless.  I pretty much agree with you, and several of the graduates this year from John Marshall already have jobs.  Iím going to wait and see how much $ Kent offers me.  I have undergrad and grad debt, so even though I have a pretty good job right now and am not taking out that many loans for law school, minimizing all debt that I can is a huge priority.  I believe that no debt = the most opportunities. 

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General Board / Re: When to quit my job for a clerkship
« on: June 07, 2010, 02:22:59 PM »
Sounds like your eyes are wide open and I sincerely wish you the best for a sucesful law school and legal career.

Some of the best advice I got for success in law school - there is not a darned thing wrong with using canned briefs and professional outlines when done with the actual reading.  Also, was told there is no way to work full time and pass the bar - BS!  I had/have a real career (graduated LS at 41 years old) and family, started studying a couple hours a night in December, started jamming the weekends a month or so ahead of the May bar, took a week off before the bar, and passed the first time.


Thank you, and it is encouraging to hear from someone else who has been through this.  I've used canned briefs to check mine, just to make sure I pulled out the rules correctly.  The funny thing is that I've actually found errors in them, like stating the case was remanded when it was not, etc.  But I agree with your point.  For LS, I study for class a couple hours every night after class, plus weekends.  Sometimes I feel like I'm literally going to drop from exhaustion.  I just keep telling myself that it will be worth it when I'm not paying off the huge student loans that my classmates are accruing.  I've been worried about the bar, so it's good to hear of your success with that.  There are a few single mothers in my program who also work.  I have no idea how they manage.

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