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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: January 06, 2010, 05:20:12 PM »
Bump.

I am in the same quandry. I just got told by my brother-in-law that an associate position is mine at the firm he worked with if I wanted it. However, it is 150 miles away, so I would need to live away from my husband for awhile until it was economically feasible for him to move (he has a job where we live now). Also my brother-in-law would be my supervisor. And finally, the firm he works for is one of those with an attorney that appears on TV. I am worried that once the economy picks up, it would be hard for me to move back into what I want to do with that on my resume. Thoughts?

P.S. - my husband is making enough for us to survive on while I defer my loans...but it is tight. I am working for a government office, who still hasn't heard whether they have the funds to hire any attorneys or not. Help!

Well, 150 miles isn't really THAT far...so it might not be that bad.  Things to consider are: Do you really want to work there or do you figure it's "better than nothing?"  Also, will this really help to get you your dream job in the location that you want?

Call me crazy, but I think the legal job market is getting better.  The new year has brought a renewed sense of optimism about the economy and I think we'll see a spike in firms seeking to hire.  My advice is stall the brother-in-law as much as possible and keep looking where you live. 

That's what I've done w/ my brother (remember, I'm the OP).  I had an interview yesterday and another scheduled next week, when previously it seemed like entire months would go by without me hearing anything.  Thinks are turning around in the job market.  I can feel it.

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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: November 04, 2009, 05:09:01 PM »
You should be disheartened.  It's a miserable process because it seems so hopeless at times.  There's really nothing wrong with being miserable in and of itself.  It's a perfectly normal reaction to your situation.  Just don't let your miserableness turn into a depression that keeps you from doing what you need to do.  Study for the bar, take the bar exam, and then start looking for a job. 

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I'd second Dr. Balsenschaft's advice, and further point out that Dr. B's advice is entirely on point for the situation right now. You're depressed about having only California options. Nothing wrong with being disappointed at what's transpired so far. That's a reasonable response. But you can't let "feeling glum" stand in the way of actual progress.

According to your prior posts, you've been diligent about rustling job prospects. Assuming you followed Dr. B's advice, you made a note of all the firms who wanted to talk to you after you received your bar results and you've already zipped off friendly "remember me?" e-mails to them all. You've networked, schmoozed, asked everyone who knows anyone to talk about you, etc.

If it's true that you've shaken the bushes and trees in Chicago, doesn't it seem sensible to move to try something new? Work at your brother's firm. You can do a lot more than glorified paralegal work -- you can do everything but sign the pleadings and argue in court. So, research, write, talk to clients, negotiate with opposing counsel, learn the law, learn how the legal industry really works, meet people, make friends, and have something substantial to add to your resume.

You can always return to Chicago after you've "done the west coast thing." No firm will question your geographic loyalty. If there's really any doubt, work out a deal where your brother's firm has a collegial relationship with an employment firm in Chicago. Then, there'll be cross-referrals and joint articles and any number of ties that will keep your resume full of Chicago. I don't think that's necessary, though. The best thing for you to do is add something new to the package that you present employers and come back to try again. Coming back is proof enough that you really want to be in Chicago.

You've expressed a lot of concern about your debt, especially. You don't want to run out of deferment time when there's a real solution right in front of you. It's okay to feel bad about where you are -- but keep putting one foot in front of the other, despite how you feel.


Thank you for taking the time to offer me your advice.  I do appreciate it.  I know what you're saying makes sense, but do you really think I should be there for 3 years?  I was thinking 6 months, tops...?

It takes you more than six months to be licensed in CA (study and get result) assume that you do pass it.  You should have at least 2 years commitment.  At least!  It passes by really fast.

I wasn't planning on taking the CA bar.  I'd be certain to be stuck there then.  :)  I can still do a lot w/o being licensed there.

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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: November 04, 2009, 04:21:16 AM »
You should be disheartened.  It's a miserable process because it seems so hopeless at times.  There's really nothing wrong with being miserable in and of itself.  It's a perfectly normal reaction to your situation.  Just don't let your miserableness turn into a depression that keeps you from doing what you need to do.  Study for the bar, take the bar exam, and then start looking for a job. 

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I'd second Dr. Balsenschaft's advice, and further point out that Dr. B's advice is entirely on point for the situation right now. You're depressed about having only California options. Nothing wrong with being disappointed at what's transpired so far. That's a reasonable response. But you can't let "feeling glum" stand in the way of actual progress.

According to your prior posts, you've been diligent about rustling job prospects. Assuming you followed Dr. B's advice, you made a note of all the firms who wanted to talk to you after you received your bar results and you've already zipped off friendly "remember me?" e-mails to them all. You've networked, schmoozed, asked everyone who knows anyone to talk about you, etc.

If it's true that you've shaken the bushes and trees in Chicago, doesn't it seem sensible to move to try something new? Work at your brother's firm. You can do a lot more than glorified paralegal work -- you can do everything but sign the pleadings and argue in court. So, research, write, talk to clients, negotiate with opposing counsel, learn the law, learn how the legal industry really works, meet people, make friends, and have something substantial to add to your resume.

You can always return to Chicago after you've "done the west coast thing." No firm will question your geographic loyalty. If there's really any doubt, work out a deal where your brother's firm has a collegial relationship with an employment firm in Chicago. Then, there'll be cross-referrals and joint articles and any number of ties that will keep your resume full of Chicago. I don't think that's necessary, though. The best thing for you to do is add something new to the package that you present employers and come back to try again. Coming back is proof enough that you really want to be in Chicago.

You've expressed a lot of concern about your debt, especially. You don't want to run out of deferment time when there's a real solution right in front of you. It's okay to feel bad about where you are -- but keep putting one foot in front of the other, despite how you feel.


Thank you for taking the time to offer me your advice.  I do appreciate it.  I know what you're saying makes sense, but do you really think I should be there for 3 years?  I was thinking 6 months, tops...?

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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: November 03, 2009, 06:22:15 AM »
This plan has fail written all over it.

Thanks for piping in, Joey.  Appreciate it.   

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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: November 03, 2009, 12:43:44 AM »
What does your empty wallet say?

Money isn't everything, right?  I know we're expected to sacrifice a lot for this profession, but I can't sacrifice happiness.  At most, I'll work out there temporarily, with hopes that it will land me a job in Chi town within 6 months.  Fool proof!

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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: November 02, 2009, 05:36:00 AM »
Since I'm the one who started this topic, I figured I'd give you all an update.  I found out I passed the IL bar, but still dont have a job.  I havent even gotten an interview yet.  This seems hopeless and I'm starting to regret ever going to law school.  9.8% unemployment sucks...

What have you done so far though? 



I basically check like 8 websites everyday and apply to virtually all the open positions, whether I'm crazy under-qualified or crazy over-qualified.  I virtually never see an ad looking for "RECENT BAR PASSERS NEEDED!!"  The crazy thing is that, technically, if I wanted a job, I could have one.  My brother and 2 other guys started their own Employment Law firm in LA a few years ago and apparently they're going to start looking to hire someone.  It's a great opportunity, but I want to stay in Chicago (plus I've only taken the IL bar).  He said he wants an answer from me by December 1st as to whether or not I'll take it.  Your thoughts on the matter?

You shouldn't take it today or tomorrow, you should have taken it yesterday.  What's wrong with you?  Take it!!! 

I dont know if it's that easy though.  If I plan to practice law in Chicago, is it really the right move to live in LA doing glorified paralegal work??? Unless I take the Cali bar, I can't do anything too exciting, dont you think?

Take the offer, start studying for the CA bar tonight, and be an attorney in few months. 


My brain says yes but my heart says no...

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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: October 28, 2009, 06:00:26 PM »
Since I'm the one who started this topic, I figured I'd give you all an update.  I found out I passed the IL bar, but still dont have a job.  I havent even gotten an interview yet.  This seems hopeless and I'm starting to regret ever going to law school.  9.8% unemployment sucks...

What have you done so far though? 



I basically check like 8 websites everyday and apply to virtually all the open positions, whether I'm crazy under-qualified or crazy over-qualified.  I virtually never see an ad looking for "RECENT BAR PASSERS NEEDED!!"  The crazy thing is that, technically, if I wanted a job, I could have one.  My brother and 2 other guys started their own Employment Law firm in LA a few years ago and apparently they're going to start looking to hire someone.  It's a great opportunity, but I want to stay in Chicago (plus I've only taken the IL bar).  He said he wants an answer from me by December 1st as to whether or not I'll take it.  Your thoughts on the matter?

You shouldn't take it today or tomorrow, you should have taken it yesterday.  What's wrong with you?  Take it!!! 

I dont know if it's that easy though.  If I plan to practice law in Chicago, is it really the right move to live in LA doing glorified paralegal work??? Unless I take the Cali bar, I can't do anything too exciting, dont you think?

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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: October 26, 2009, 05:38:18 PM »
LSDSL - Congrats on passing the bar!  Maybe I'll see you at swearing in on Nov. 5th?  Keep your chin up-- I believe actually having your law license in hand will help your job search.

Yup, Nov. 5th is the big day.  I'll be downtown for the ceremony.  I actually just got my tickets today for it.  You'd think having a license would help, but not yet...  Between you and me, I wish I could just skip the swearing in.  I've had it with ceremonies and celebrating.  Between graduation, 2 graduation parties, a party after I finished the bar, a party after I passed the bar, I'm sick of partying...especially when I still feel like I have nothing to celebrate!

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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: October 26, 2009, 05:35:17 PM »
Since I'm the one who started this topic, I figured I'd give you all an update.  I found out I passed the IL bar, but still dont have a job.  I havent even gotten an interview yet.  This seems hopeless and I'm starting to regret ever going to law school.  9.8% unemployment sucks...

What have you done so far though? 



I basically check like 8 websites everyday and apply to virtually all the open positions, whether I'm crazy under-qualified or crazy over-qualified.  I virtually never see an ad looking for "RECENT BAR PASSERS NEEDED!!"  The crazy thing is that, technically, if I wanted a job, I could have one.  My brother and 2 other guys started their own Employment Law firm in LA a few years ago and apparently they're going to start looking to hire someone.  It's a great opportunity, but I want to stay in Chicago (plus I've only taken the IL bar).  He said he wants an answer from me by December 1st as to whether or not I'll take it.  Your thoughts on the matter?

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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: October 26, 2009, 12:32:55 AM »
Since I'm the one who started this topic, I figured I'd give you all an update.  I found out I passed the IL bar, but still dont have a job.  I havent even gotten an interview yet.  This seems hopeless and I'm starting to regret ever going to law school.  9.8% unemployment sucks...

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