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General Board / Re: questions for 2Ls and 3Ls
« on: October 02, 2009, 11:22:23 PM »
Thank you so much for the advice. That is exactly how I feel whenever I am in class. Are you a 2L? I just feel like I don't learn much from classes(except this one class with my favorite professor who is really good at making everything so clear). Like you said, I really don't care what the other 1Ls have to say because most of the time, they just make up stuff that are not very related to the actual law (and some of them are just idiots who still didn't get over their own ego).

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General Board / Re: questions for 2Ls and 3Ls
« on: October 01, 2009, 10:20:42 PM »
Thanks for the advice. I felt like I was lost for the first 3 weeks before I started reading my supplements. Now that I spent the last 2 weeks trying to read supplements only, now I am very behind in my readings(but a lot of concepts are much more clear now). I just wish someone could have told me to read supplements before the semester started. That way I could get the big picture first and then read through casebooks. For personal reasons, I do not have to graduate at the top of my class to get a job, as most people on this board are trying to do. I just need the degree, that is all I want. (and of course, learn the law)

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General Board / questions for 2Ls and 3Ls
« on: October 01, 2009, 05:32:38 PM »
I just have few questions for those of you who successfully passed your first year

1. Is briefing on your own/reading every case from casebooks necessary? I have been using the commercial outline
for a while, and they seem to contain every information I need to understand the cases.

2. I am very behind in almost every class I am taking because I read really slow. However, when I look at the outline
and supplement materials, I still do understand why things are the way they are. What troubles me is that I sometimes
have no idea whats happening while I'm in class because I didn't do my reading. Is attending every class really necessary to learn the law?

3. Also, I looked at some of the old exams and model answers. It seems like as long as I study on my own(but not necessarily always keep up with demanding reading load) and understand the law, I believe I will be able to produce a reasonable good answer on the exams that look similar to the model ones I've seen. I think supplements are very helpful, if not essential to my studying. To be honest, I think casebooks are unnecessarily confusing and worded in a difficult way/ contain extra information that really isn't the law etc.

I would really appreciate any 2L or 3L's opinions on these. Am I just wrong about the way I think? or can I still manage to pass all my courses with what I am doing right now.

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General Board / Should I get a commercial outline?
« on: September 17, 2009, 10:55:54 PM »
so it's been about 3 weeks since law school started. For the past 3 weeks, I spent most of my time studying the casebooks for each class. In the beginning, I kind of wanted to buy the commercial outlines at the bookstore, but then my mentor told me that I don't need those until I am through like half of the semester. Many of my classmates also told me that they don't really use outlines and advised me to just focus on reading casebooks, which I did for the past three weeks. My law school experience so far has been very bad because I often felt very confused about the material we are learning or I would simply not remember all the necessary facts from a particular case. I was feeling very depressed about how I was the only one not understanding anything in class. Then I bought this commercial outline for my contracts class about 4 days ago and I didn't read anything else but that book since then. I thought learning through this outline was so much more helpful than reading the casebook, which had so much dense information worded in a difficult way to read. It seemed like I spent a lot less time studying this way and I still got more out of this outline than what I did by reading casebooks. So my question is, was my mentor wrong? Should I buy outlines for other classes too? If there are any 2Ls or 3Ls, please tell me what you did in your first year. I am just so clueless as to what I should do to pass law school.  :'( Thanks in advance.

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General Board / Re: NOT going to class
« on: September 10, 2009, 02:02:20 PM »
I am a 1L. My school is ranked top 40. I am just frustrated because I barely learn anything from class and most of the stuff professor says seems very irrelevant. This gets worse when everyone else in the room starts yelling out their opinions because I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT THESE PEOPEL THINK. I really wish law school lectures were more about the law or precedents than just opinions of 1Ls who have no law experience. I could have done that with my friends who are not in law school. The worst part is when professor calls on people and I'm sure no one likes that part.

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General Board / Re: NOT going to class
« on: September 09, 2009, 01:20:37 AM »
well here is my problem. I do all the readings and I still don't get anything from classes. Like I said, I do get few things here and there, but I doubt I'll remember any of those things after few hours. I do admit feeling lost a lot of the time, and as you said, I do agree that part of the problem is that I don't pay enough attention. Having said all that, I am seriously considering not going to class for a good reason. I think it gives me too much unnecessary stress that affects my daily routine of studying. (and I do respect people who go to class everyday, pay attention, and participate. It's just that I really don't think it will work for me) I have absolutely NO problem studying for 10 hours a day on my own (and when I do this, I actually understand the material, and I do feel like I learned something) so it's not like I am trying to skip classes because I am lazy or something.

To be honest, I will have absolutely no problem if I can just graduate with 2.0 GPA. I have my own plan after I graduate, but it is unnecessary for me to explain it here. The frustrating thing is, whenever I study on my own, I feel great and whenever I go to class, I feel horrible and won't study for the rest of the day because I either feel overwhelmed or depressed.

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General Board / NOT going to class
« on: September 08, 2009, 11:25:21 PM »
can you still pass all of your classes during ur first year even if u dont go to them?
I find most of my classes very disorganized and unhelpful. It seems like we are constantly
just talking about random hypotheticals that doesnt really relate to what we learn from the book.

To put it briefly, I dont think i am getting ANYTHING out of my classes and even some things I do get, I seem to forget very quickly (or could have learned the same thing by reading casebook myself)
So, is it possible to pass your final exams without going to class?
Has anyone done this as 1L? Any input would be appreciated.

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Socratic Method / What is THE WORST that could happen?
« on: August 26, 2009, 01:43:03 PM »
Hi. As I introduced myself in the thread I posted earlier, I am an international student who speaks English as my second langauge. I'm just wondering what could be the worst case scenario (I know I'm being masochistic here :'(). What were some of the worst things you have seen happen when students were called on? Has anyone seen someone who just completely blank? because that's what I assume will happen to me. I have a really mean contract professor who's infamous among the 1Ls. My verbal skills are just not up there with everyone else. God, I'm hating this class so much...

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General Board / International student seeking advice
« on: August 21, 2009, 10:21:21 PM »
 Hello. I just started my first year at law school couple days ago and I found the classes very intimidating.(Especially when professors started calling on people to ask a bunch of questions, I totally panicked) Despite how many of my classmates expressed the same concern when I talked to them, they seemed to do pretty well when they were called on. To be honest, I am not a good speaker at all. Given that I am an international student, I am actually a pretty bad spearker. (I have an accent, I'm very slow when I talk or respond to other peoples' comments or questions, and  often blank) I do think my daily conversational skills are ok, but when I have to describe something complex, thats when I just blank and often feel like an idiot unless I prepare for it for a long time beforehand. On the other hand, I do reasonably well with reading and writing things. I do love reading difficult passages and writing out my thoughts on essays. I scored 161 on the LSAT, which is not a horrible score for someone who speaks english as his second language.
The Socratic method scared the hell out of me and I just couldn't focus on what the professor was saying because I was worried about being called on. I'm just wondering if this is common in law school or if there are any thing that I could do to survive law school. Please give me some constructive advice on this. I would really appreciate it if someone who has been thru their first year tell me what I could do. Thanks.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD or Case Western?
« on: June 27, 2009, 10:22:06 AM »
Im planning on living in a large city (wherever career prospect is good). I don't have any specific place in mind though. I'm just curious which school is more recognized in terms of reputation/rankings etc.

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