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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How bad is Touro?
« on: May 03, 2010, 07:14:33 PM »
quality of education in every law school is basically the same. Why? Professors won't teach you the law. You learn the law yourself and demonstrate your skills in classroom. Don't think of law school as a place where you will 'receive' knowledge from the teachers, think of it as a battleground where you go in to kill or get killed. quality of teachers? every law school will have teachers from harvard, yale, standord etc. you will have at least one ivy league graduate professor for one of your first year classes. Why do they say T4 schools such as Touro is bad? Because every law school is bad. At least some of the higher ranked ones (top20) give you some reward/opportunity(well, probably not very likely in this economy). Don't kid yourself by thinking that you will attend a private school to not make much money later but hold some public job. You won't get it. Even if you get it, you won't be able to repay the debt. If you really really want to go to a law school, read some books, do research on your own, don't believe random poster's comments (contradicting, eh?) or do not be too skeptical. Hope this helps.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How bad is Touro?
« on: May 03, 2010, 05:40:33 PM »
It's bad. You will have a horrible experience. It wouldn't make it any less painful to attend other cheaper public schools. Law School is a nightmare. and no, it wouldn't make a difference if you think you are smart. Intelligence doesn't count much. It's more about knowing what you are doing. And no, don't go to an expensive private school, your life will be going downhill from that point on.

No offense, just telling you how you will be treated once you enter the legal field, and if you attend a school, you will soon realize what I said above is all true. Good luck.

Southern U Law Center / Re: FLUNKING OUT OF LAW SCHOOL
« on: April 23, 2010, 10:55:27 PM »
If you already got kicked out of your school, there is usually no way to develop 'understanding relationships' or whatever so that they would just keep you in. Most if not all schools require you to improve your GPA so that its over 2.0 by the next term (otherwise, you are out for good).

If you did not get kicked out yet, but you are pretty sure you failed your final exam, withdraw ASAP. Do not wait for a miracle to happen. It won't. Reapply to schools that have lower attrition rate/cheaper tuition. Once you have the 'academically disqualified' on your record, no ABA school will accept you.

Either way, you need to find out why you failed your exams, so that you can do better next time. This takes more effort than merely 'thinking you got it'. At least now you know trying to naively cooperate with the school will very likely get you screwed.

Current Law Students / Re: 155 LSAT || 3.0GPA [Advice Please!]
« on: April 20, 2010, 04:50:25 PM »
Don't expect to find sound advice on this website. Do your own research. Take everything (even the ones initially sounding plausible) with a grain of salt. Lawyers (or law students) rarely go around asking questions from random people online. Better learn that before you go to law school, where you can be punished for asking what everyone else already knows.

Current Law Students / Re: Is law school worth it?- Freaked Out!
« on: April 19, 2010, 09:24:35 AM »
and by the way, no law student or lawyer will admit that MBA > JD unless they are really bad

Current Law Students / Re: Is law school worth it?- Freaked Out!
« on: April 19, 2010, 09:22:52 AM »
Bad economy = Bad job prospect for everyone (or almost everyone)
JD = a professional/doctoral degree > other lower degrees
Bad economy + JD = better job prospect than other degrees

Plus, if you like law, JD will do, MBA won't.

I don't think people search websites or do facebook stuff because they are stupid enough to not realized how much they just paid for their classes. I believe this happens because they find the material very boring or totally irrelevant to what they think they should know to do well on exams. It could be argued that this is law school's fault for not giving sufficient explanations as to why the professor do things the way they do and what is truly expected of students to do well on the final exam, which determines your grade for the entire semester. This is the hardest part about law school. Not hard because students are stupid/or figuring that fact is some kind of mysterious process, but simply because students were never expected to figure out those things on their own(high school/college/employers always told them their responsibilites) before they came to law school.

If you did what truly matters in helping you understand the material better and disregard nonsense that only confuses you, I don't think that makes you a poor student(maybe an efficient one?  ;). If you have done well in those classes in which you didn't pay attention, that probably means you realized early that doing well on final exams requires you to do something that could be done outside of class. I don't think any of these things has to do with being naturally gifted. It just means that person figured out law school faster than those who didn't. Also, I should point out that law students rarely tell the truth, at least not the entire truth, and they also do like to brag (even though they would never admit it). A big part of law school is playing mind games. Sometimes with your professors, mostly with your classmates(and sometimes, on internet websites like this one.)

Current Law Students / Re: Overwhelmed - Seeking Advice
« on: April 05, 2010, 06:00:49 PM »
Thank you for the comments. I still have some doubts though. If what you are suggesting is THE approach to be followed, why don't so many law students know about them? Why do so many professor discourage students from studying law before law school/ using supplements? Is this some kind of conspiracy or what? If a professor can expect a lot of students are left guideless, why don't they ever try to help these students by explaining things a little more (not the substantive law, but perhaps how we should approach these materials)?

Current Law Students / Re: Overwhelmed - Seeking Advice
« on: April 05, 2010, 02:26:55 AM »
so would you say that one person who would have passed and did okay in one school could possibly fail out due to harsh grading curve in another school? you say the applicant pool has been changing (they are better qualified to study law) but how do you justify measuring one's ability to study the law by their LSAT score? I mean, LSAT is purely logic and reading comprehension stuff, and I don't believe most law students find these parts very hard about law school. The hard part, like many of your comments explain, is making sense out of what you learn and 'understanding what is going on', right? I understand the author of PLS feels very strongly about these matters. Heck, I would have felt the same way if I had to quit law school due to the grading curve.

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