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I don't think many schools will proactively retaliate against a person specifically. However, what a lot of schools will try to do is hold off on releasing grades and/or class rank until after many of the decisions have been made at other schools (where it is to late to consider transferring). My t3 did this last year with holding off on calculating class rank until well past the application deadlines and past when some of the decisions at top schools were made (meaning the school had to make a decision without my class rank available to them).

Current Law Students / Re: Dont study law!
« on: December 30, 2009, 09:25:40 PM »
Hi Mr/Ms "Don't study law"

Let me tell you that I wasn't born in America and English is my second language, but language barrier can't stop me and I'm doing well in law school. I'm very confident that I will be a tought lawyer, I therefore, will get a job. Below are questions I had asked myself before I entered a law school. I would like to share them with you and hope this helps.

1) Do you really want to be a lawyer?
2) Are you confident enough that you will pass the Bar Exam within the first attempt?
3) Do you think you really know the law and better than the rest of job candidates?

If you answered "no" to any questions above, I suggest you think twice before going to law school.
If you answered "yes" to all three questions, then why do you think you may not get a job after passing your Bar Exam?

P.S. You may wondering my English is this bad how can I manage through law shool? Verly lucky for me that my law professors don't care my grammar, they care only howI analyze the facts and apply the law and they told me that as long as they understand me, then judges will understand me.

#3 is pretty idiotic. Law school is not about memorizing the law and you are no more likely to find a job based on what you memorized about the law. Law school is suppose to develop your thought processes and get you "thinking like a lawyer." This is somewhat evidenced by the fact that the better of a school you go to, the less the focus is on black letter law. E.g. if you go to Yale, you probably will spend little time on the actual rules, but spend a ton of time thinking about what the rules should be and why (i.e. policy). I guess at better schools passing the bar is just expected, and the focus is getting you thinking about things. Whereas at lower ranked schools are focused getting people to pass the bar so they can keep their accreditation.

Current Law Students / Re: disable man needs help
« on: December 30, 2009, 09:17:24 PM »

What should you do?

1) learn to spell
2) hire a real lawyer, instead of asking for advice on a board for law students.

Also, that must be some really good "MEDACIN" considering nothing you typed was even semi-coherent.

Job Search / Re: Can't find a job? What about going solo?
« on: December 26, 2009, 10:21:33 PM »
You are one goofy looking @#!*.

Current Law Students / Re: Why do BigLaw lawyers work so many hours
« on: December 20, 2009, 02:57:18 PM »
Because they are biglaw lawyers.

Although it would be kinda sweet if you could work part time at one of these firms at make $80K and work 40 hours a week (I guess technically that would be around half the hours they actually work).

Current Law Students / Re: Volunteering at Firms While in School
« on: December 20, 2009, 02:54:18 PM »
Has anyone on here had success doing something like this? While in law school contact firms you are interested in and offer to work for them as a volunteer, saying you want to get experience or something like that. Work your ass off and eventually land an offer as a paid employee. I know some people have done this before, if anyone on here has please elaborate as to duration of your time as a volunteer and any other advice you might have. Thanks.

Anything is possible if you are talking about small firms or solos (since they are all different). Biglaw and midlaw don't operate like this. Also, I'm not sure how that works with minimum wage laws, but I've heard that your school has to approve it to allow you to work for a firm for free, and a lot won't since they are for-profit (i.e. they make money and it is kinda ridiculous for them to not pay you for your time, unlike nonprofits or public interest).

Also, there is the 20 hour /week work limit, but if you are a 2L or 3L you already know this (if you are a 1L, don't do this -- your grades are far more important your first year).

Current Law Students / Re: Law school only for elites??
« on: December 20, 2009, 02:48:20 PM »
I was under the impression that JAG is just as competitive as BigLaw...

It got even more competitive now that they have loan forgiveness according to the lady who came here for OCI (I have no idea why I signed up for that OCI slot).

EDIT- I didn't mean more competitive then biglaw, just more competitive then in the past.

Current Law Students / Re: Should I even consider transferring?
« on: December 18, 2009, 01:36:15 PM »
I don't know why don't you check out your original post here:,4022348.0.html

Current Law Students / Re: Law school only for elites??
« on: November 30, 2009, 01:57:44 PM »
I really don't think that law school is only for the "elites". I mean there are over 200 law schools in the US and, arguably, only 14 "elite" ones. That obviously means the majority of law students in the US don't go to the elite law schools. I wouldn't worry too much about the snobbish posters who only wish they were at these "elite" law schools. Most of the people who graduate from the 185 or so other law schools can certainly develop great careers as well. Last year, I heard plenty of these "nay" sayers tell me not to go to a tier 2/3 law school but, I didn't listen to them. I eventually transferred to a solid tier 2 and I am very happy.

The real issue is the outrageous costs of tuition nowadays. You essentially have to make biglaw or spend the next 20-30 years making really bad money while struggling to repay your student loans. Even TTTs nowadays cost $40K /year to attend. Yes, there are scholarships but the cost of living, books, insurance, etc for 3 years will run you around $50K. So that means to come out of law school with only moderate debt that means you need to have a full ride. For most people getting a full ride means attending a lower ranked schools (usually t2 or well below). The issue with those schools is that they almost always have GPA stipulations, which can be pretty brutal considering a lot of them curve on a B- or C+ curve. So then you are faced with the decision to attend a low ranked school with a very good likelihood your full ride will get yanked and youíll have given up attending a better school just to pay full tuition at a dump for 2 more years or to pay full price at a t14 or better (which still isnít much of a reassurance that youíll make biglaw and be able to repay your debt any time soon). LRAP and public service is also a possibility, but those jobs are pretty scarce nowadays as well (possibly more so then biglaw).

Why anyone attends most T3/4s and pays sticker is beyond me.

And public service stuff will NEVER be more scarce than big law, good economy or bad. You can find a stupid gubment job somewhere if you look, even coming out of the T4. The same cannot be said for big law.

Even paying sticker at CCN is a pretty big risk nowadays with close to half of their 2Ls empty handed this year. Public service is getting pretty scarce. There are so many people, even at CCN, that went to law school to do public interest, built up a resume that really shows that, and yet got locked out this year. I find it hard to believe t4 students are getting jobs that CCN students aren't. Pretty much all public service has serious hiring freezes this year making it tough to get these jobs that weren't really all that tough to get before.

I agree that times are tough in a lot of places right now, but consider that a lot of CCN types aren't going to be looking all over the country for work either. My statement is based solely on my belief that you can find a job somewhere doing public interest if you look, you might just have to travel to North Dakota or something to do it. I know flunkies at schools a lot worse than CCN (Low T2s and a T3) that managed to find paying public interest work last summer, but they were also willing to travel to another part of their states or other states for it.

Plus, long term, this can't keep up. I'd still be ok with taking my chances on a CCN degree that might take a few years to pay off. I mean, that's what I'm doing now and my degree isn't going to be anything near CCN. Guess we'll just have to wait a few years to see how this whole mess ends up...

Last summer was a whole other ball game. There were anywhere from 30-50% more summer associateships last year (and presumably a lot more public interest jobs available as well), which is still pretty bad considering they were down around 30% from 2007 last year. No t14s really took a really hard hit last year (well, until all the current 3Ls got deferred, no offered or other bull), it was really mostly schools outside the t14 that took a harder blow. This year pretty much changed everything.

Current Law Students / Re: Dont study law!
« on: November 30, 2009, 01:52:47 PM »
JDU is down, and they are coming here. Everyone run!!

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