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As an admit, the two bars were really unimpressive, especially compared to the rest of the program.  Thanks again to all of you old timers that came out to them though, i've made my decision today to come to U of Chi, and a big part of making it came from just talking to all of the students that were there about their experience.

Us oldtimers were also not really happy with the choice of bars.  I've already mentioned it to Dean Perry.

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hello,
i'm an incoming student (starting fall 2009) and I was wondering if you any of you happened to know how much regents will cost next year (both 2 bedroom and 1 bedroom, include utilities if you can ...)?    Also, for those who are currently living there, what's your opinion of the place?  Would you do it again?

thanks

(also, i noticed someone mentioned how quiet people had been on lsd ... that's been equally true of the facebook group and the admitted students board.)

I don't know yet, but if you're coming to ASW, they should give you that info during the Regents tour.

I lived in Regents all three years, and would do it again, but this year has really tried my patience.  The building is under new management, and they really suck.  They spent months putting the building under construction, only to completely remodel it in a hideously ugly way.  Rents and parking fees have been jacked up, our free cable has been taken away, and an "improved" internet service has been installed that has so far been terrible.

I think there is social value in living there 1L year, but if they jack up the rent too much, I'd have to recommend against it.

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Can anyone tell me how much a cab from midway to hyde park should be?

it usually runs me $25 to get to 55th and ellis if i take garfield all the way up.

Yeah, it is key that you say take 55th Street.  Otherwise the cab will take I-55, which is faster, but costs a lot more.

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I just sent you a copy of the schedule, clairel.

The dinner is Friday night @ 7pm. I hope you know more people at our dinner than I do...

PS: My god, the internet at Regents has taken a nosedive. This is awful. I'm thinking of switching to the pay internet, thats how bad this is.

thanks, pre. i got it. so we're like....in an assigned group? i know a few people in the email we got, but it seems really awkward that we're assigned people to socialize with. i'd feel better choosing my own group so i know the people at our table aren't weird.  no offense to pre, who i'm sure is a lovely dinner companion.

Totally agree.  FWIW, I'm backing out of the arranged dinner plans and so are a ton of other people.  Time with the admit will be much better spent among people I know.

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Yeah, wtf? And not just assigned a restaurant, but assigned who we're going to go with? That seems really stupid. Wouldn't it make more sense if the current students at least knew each other? I don't even know half the people I'm going with. We may spend more time introducing ourselves to each other instead of talking to the admits...

Its especially stupid since they didn't warn us of this, and we may have made specific plans otherwise (especially if we wanted a couple people who WEREN'T hosting to still come along to talk to the admits).

Anyway we can get this squashed in the next 24 hours?

PS: Three LSDers in my dinner group, apparently.

Yeah, I'd already made plans (like you including some folks that aren't hosting).  I e-mailed the person who sent me the dinner e-mail to find out if we can do our own thing.

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Well onto the second page bump. Unacceptable.

It's almost 9:30 and I'm still waiting to find out the assignment for Law and Econ tomorrow. It's supposed to be posted on Chalk some time "tonight"... I'm not sure it's coming.

We never got any assignments after the first one.  It is okay; you don't need to read anything to do well in the class.  There are a set of old class notes on BLSA that are pretty, but not completely, comprehensive.

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Those sound really interesting.  Are the seminars more discussion oriented? How many students are allowed in them?  Can you take as many as you want? (Clearly you took a lot!)

The style differs by seminar.  The workshops, for example, are seminars where profs from other schools visit and present a paper.  A lot of the faculty show up to grill the presenter, so you only participate to the extent you're interested in asking a question.

Other seminars are much more discussion oriented.  As an example in the other direction, Originalism's Alternatives required weekly response papers.  The professor took out excerpts from each of our papers to discuss during the seminar.

Enrollment also varies.  A ton of people showed up to the first Game Theory class, so the prof let them all in and we had a class of about 50.  My federal sentencing seminar was closer to 15.

There are only two limits on seminars: 1) if they require a substantial writing paper (only two of mine did), you need permission to take more than one in a quarter and 2) you need to make sure you get enough credits to graduate (some seminars are worth only 2 credits instead of the 3 of a normal class).

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Was Originalism's Alternatives the one taught by Samaha? That must have been fantastic. I really need to take Samaha at some point after all the great stuff I've heard.

Yes it was, and it was awesome.

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That does seem like a really nice feature.  Which seminars have you taken? What are they like?  So, I can be confident that I'll get a class with Nussbaum if I want one?

Do you know which clinics are being added?

Also, the internet ban doesn't really bother me. So in case you are worried about it hurting recruitment, that might not be the case!

PS You all do a great job answering questions.  I actually only post on here to take advantage of your expertise. :)

Yeah, if you want to take a class with Nussbaum, it won't be a problem.

In my law school career, I have taken the following seminars (counting the ones I'll take next quarter):

American Legal Theory (the last class Albert Alschuler taught at Chicago)
Federal Sentencing (taught by Alison Siegler, a federal public defender who is heading up one of the new clinics next year)
Game Theory (taught by Douglas Baird, one of my favorite profs)
IP Litigation (taught by a law firm partner who does IP work)
Law & Science (taught by Judge Posner)
Originalism's Alternatives
Property Theory (taught by Prof. Strahilevitz, one of everybody's favorite young faculty members)
Public Choice (taught by Dean Levmore)
Workshop: Law & Politics
Workshop: Law & Economics

I think the only seminar I ever bid on and didn't get into was Trade Secrets with Strahilevitz (it was one of the rare seminars that 1Ls were allowed to bid on, and I ended up being only one person away from getting in).

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Well for example at Northwestern clinics are just treated like a class.  They bid on classes using points. So if you really want a competitive clinic (like the innocence project), then you would just have to spend more points on it and perhaps forgo some other top choice classes.

At UVA they also treat it like a class, although I couldn't get a feel for how easy it is to get the classes (and thus clinics) that you want, but they did seem to indicate that if you want to do a clinic you will be able to.

Those are the two I know off the top of my head.

This brings up a tangential but important topic: Chicago is a small enough school where this is no bidding on classes outside of seminars.  For seminars, you have to bid your top three choices (though for all but the most popular seminars, getting in usually isn't a problem).  For classes, you just sign up and you're in.

i really like this about chicago. i went to a big public undergrad and got shafted for a lot of my classes (for instance, i was stuck taking "interpersonal communication" instead of "public speaking"...one of the easiest a's ever since all i had to do was talk to some people in my discussion group). so far, i've gotten to take every class i want and got both my first-choice seminars, which seems very common.

i do think the clinic lottery needs to be adjusted. i know people who really wanted one clinic and didn't get it; other people got clinics that they were not as passionate about. but there are plenty of other things chicago needs to fix first, like this horribly obnoxious internet ban.

Yeah, I also went to a big public undergrad and had the exact same experience.

I think a clinic lottery is probably a necessary evil.  The appellate advocacy clinic is always going to have more interested students than it can possible take.  I think the bigger issue is people who want to do clinics not getting one.  That is going to be helped a lot by the addition of a couple new clinics next year.

Oh, and I totally agree about the net ban.

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