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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 3.3/164 accepted nowhere
« on: May 13, 2009, 01:06:51 PM »
I applied to all my schools late, about 2 weeks before deadline. I thought my numbers were enough to get in somewhere decent. I was rejected by UCLA, USC, Boalt (all understandable)........ but also by Loyola LA, Hastings, and Illinois-Champagne. If i wait to re-apply for class of 2013, and apply early (turn in apps first week they are accepted), would I get in to at least one of those above schools? Is turning in an application early REALLY that important?

I'd also consider the importance of which school I got into. I'd love to have those numbers you have. If being accepted into a top school is important, re apply, otherwise I am sure there are some great schools that will still accept you. Some have extended their deadline til May 15th.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Schools that take cash and RUN!
« on: May 12, 2009, 09:59:55 PM »
Roughly 18% of the 1L class at Cooley flunks out.

Thanks for that link. I found one school wit5h a 37% attrition rate first year!? I did not realize Cooley accepted nearly 75% of all apps either. What is that place, a law school haven for 4th tier applicants?


First of all, thank you in advance for any help or information you may be able to provide.

I have been working at a law firm the past 6 years and have decided to pursue law school for the 2010-2011 academic year. I studied Biology at my first university and left during my last quarter (without a degree) and a GPA around 2.70. Since leaving, I have been working as a consultant at a law firm/consultant company and doing very well in the industry. When I decided that law school was what I wanted to pursue, I enrolled as a transfer student at a new university and in the past year, I have a 3.9 GPA in Psychology. I am set to graduate after the summer and have started studying for the LSAT already. I am 30 years old and am very ambitious and want to pursue this goal head on.

I would like to try my hand at the more elite schools. While I realize the Ivy League schools may be out of reach, I want to get in the best school possible and have my sights set on schools such as Michigan, Duke & Boston College.

My question is, are these schools also out of reach? Assuming I knock the LSAT out of the park (which I believe I can), do law schools place much emphasis on students who don't do as well in college, but attend a bit later in life when they truly know what they want? Also, I assume the 6 years at a law firm with great reccomendations helps?

Again, thanks in advance for any answers you have.....I truly appreciate any thoughts you could lend.

I have found very informative. If you have a 2.7 undergraduate degree you may be wasting your time applying to Duke or UMich and tier 1 schools of this nature. Sure there is that one chance a blind man reviews your app. I am in the same situation as you, although I havent taken the LSAT yet, which obviously will tell much. I am going to apply to mostly tier 3 or 4 schools, unless I score 170 or above. I am 47 and have had a successful career in sales, but always wanted to be an attorney. My kids are all grown now, and I am going to go for it. I just want to get into an ABA law school, graduate and pass the bar. Not too hard a task huh? Seriously check out that website, you will be AMAZED at some of the numbers that get accepted. Good luck and let me know what your LSAT score turned out to be and I will too. 

Incoming 1Ls / Schools that take cash and RUN!
« on: May 12, 2009, 03:55:23 PM »
Someone pointed out to me that there are ABA schools mostly 4th tier that accept people they think WILL FLUNK OUT just to collect the dollars that drive the machine. How true is this?

Law School Admissions / GPA calculation
« on: May 12, 2009, 06:18:59 AM »
I went to 3 diff undergrad schools. How does LSDAS calculate GPA? By going through every single class from each school or just taking the degree granting school GPA.


Politics and Law-Related News / Re: Can anyone confirm on this? :)
« on: May 11, 2009, 03:56:07 PM »
so, you saying they attractive?

Julie, I took LSD once....I saw GOD......LOL had to throw that in...

Profile: 2.01 UGPA, 3.9 MBA, 170 LSAT, 30 Years Old (ECON major at top 15 undergrad business program, FIN/ECON at a very good but not great MBA program). Also I haven't taken the LSAT yet but have been getting 170-175 on the actual exams.

Professional: Worked with three companies and been promoted with each one: successful in roles trading securities/options, as a financial analyst, and VP Finance at an early stage internet/technology company. Plan to attain CPA designation before admission to law school.

Arrest Record: 2 DUIs, 1 misdemeanor possession of marijuana. No arrests in last 7 years.

Obviously I didn't get off on the right foot in college and my early twenties, and will have to craft my personal statement to reflect that. I really want to study corporate/securities law, and to a lesser extent international law, and get the J.D. Does anyone have any advice about what schools I should target (either a range based on ranking/selectivity, or specific schools where non-traditional applicants tend to fair well)?

My plan as of now is to apply to a ton of schools, maybe 30, simply because I have no idea where I fit in due to the extremity of my undergrad GPA and my arrest record.

So where can I get in? any thoughts? any non-traditionals that can share some advice for me?


Go for it....heck, I am 47 and am working on a MS but have always wanted to go to law school and then practice. I said to myself, if things go right, I will be 50 when I graduate, then I said how old will I be if I dont go to law school in 3 years. Same answer. My undergrad GPA was horrible at one institution, stellar at another, and mediocre from my degree granting institution (UMW). Hey, its the sister school of UVA! I live in the DC area so my choices are many. Its going to depend on my LSAT score which I will take in September. I am studying right now each day. Analytical Reasoning is tough, but Logical and Reading Comprehension I do good in.Am I willing to go long distance to law schools that I know I would be accepted in? Not sure. Right now its a step at a time, but I am progressing. Good luck! PS  Easy on the drinking LOL...

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Readiness --- I am making progress
« on: May 11, 2009, 03:18:09 PM »
I have been intensively studying for my LSAT with Powerscore bibles. I jumped from a 137 to a 142 to a 147. I am signed up to take the June 2009 LSAT. Which means I have roughly a month to get to my goal LSAT score which is like 157. Do any of you all see my goal as realistic?


I "goggled" the LSAT score of 155. People on many forums spoke about that score like it was HORRIBLE. Why is a 155 thought of as being a BAD score?  I mean I am hopping to get in William and Mary with a 157 or higher and a pretty high gpa. I have a 147 as of is that supposed to make me feel?

Someone posted and after I looked at some of the GOD AWFUL scores and GPA's that schools accept, I feel alot better about my chances. I will be taking my first practice exam tomorrow, and will let you know how I score. I am taking the Sep 2009 LSAT.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Help me understand.....
« on: May 11, 2009, 03:01:42 PM »
Sounds a lot like People's College of Law...

I'm guessing that it is their way of saying minorities.  General rule of thumb, though- if you were to talk to 10 people on the street and less than two of them would have heard of the school, you should probably stay away.  I would probably be wary of David A. Clarke School of Law... there are a lot of schools out there with the only purpose to eat up your money.  Then again, some could argue there that is the purpose of all law schools. 8)

Yes actually it is UDC(formerly Antioch College of Law). Its very convenient though for me (a non trad student in his 40's) just by geographical location. I am not one to waste an app at say Gtown, GWU, or AU....unless I aced the LSAT. Catholic U is also on my list though. Thanks for replying!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Help me understand.....
« on: May 11, 2009, 02:55:28 PM »
Stay away from People's College of Law.  For the sake of humanity and all things right, stay away.

LOL no its not People's College of Law, but I have to tell you I was amazed when I looked up that school (it rejects the LSAT)....this is from an approved ABA school. I just dont understand what "denied access" meant...

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